Thanks Matt, you just confirmed the feasibility of what I had in mind based on my  understanding of the Flex documentation. Modifying ASP.NET theme and skins in order to return XML instead of table based HTML is within the scope of my abilities as a designer, unlike building Web Services or server logic from scratch.

 

Believe it or not but I spent 3 days full time parsing dozens of RIA and Web Services resources and documentation across the Web in order to find answer to those questions with no success. I printed the entire Flex 2.0 Alpha documentation, spent hours a day on the thousands pages for weeks, went though every single page of “Developing RIA With Flex” book which I ordered before it even hit the shelves, and still I do not understand how to implement the data interconnectivity. Or at least I did not find a simple way to implement it without the requirement for advanced programming language skills.

 

Meanwhile, and besides being of interest for enterprise class - team based web development, Flex is the best thing to happen since Internet to the whole designer community sic of having their work limited by what they can do on the server side. We do not ask a Dentist to be capable of building the electronic component of his client chair in order to deploy the full scope of his Dentistry skills, right?

 

I believe there is a need for more accessible training and resources tailored for non programmer audience in respect to Flex. I have been building the www faces of CGI, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET web applications for the past 7 years now and this was the time where I had to learn a little bit of CGI to integrate some sort of interactivity into my work, not because I like CGI but simply because the software vendor do. Then I had to learn a little bit of ASP because the best affiliate platform software at the time was based on this language, and my code was mixed up with this pure Japanese dialect like if HTML table were not unfriendly enough to start with. And so on, for every single piece of logic without which a web page would not be anything more than a piece of graphic.

 

With Flex in hand, none the less a web site can blow away people from a graphic and user experience standpoint (rarely combinable until then), but the entire role of webmaster and web designer is shifting as well. Forums, bogs, newsletter, affiliate program, galleries, subscription system, pay per view services, integrated video, integrated audio, audio and video chat?….. No problem! On PC, on Mac, on Lynux, on Mobile or whatever will come next? No problem! Anything you can think of and beyond is… no problem! All it takes is for the big players to help the designer community with the learning curve that separate them from Web Services and SOA, being pretty much all we have to know as designers to make it work. Because after all, the goal of this entire technology advance is not for programmer to become designer and vice versa, so why not teach us how to efficiently jump in as you teach developers how to keep going better?

 

I would be interested in giving time, work and effort for any project that would go in that direction so if I’m not the only one lost here, lets get together on some sort of “Flex for Dummies” kind of initiative :o)

 

Stephane

 

 


From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Chotin
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Integrating Flex 1.5 or 2.0 with Community Server (Telligent)

 

If you don’t need to parse the HTML as XML (i.e., you can take it as a blob of text) then HTTPService would allow you to do it with a resultFormat=”text”.  The problem with leaving the resultFormat as e4x or object is that your HTML may not be valid XML.  If it is valid XML then you can take it as e4x and may have an easier time parsing it.

 

The session management should work as long as the ASP pages were using cookies.

 

Matt

 


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephane B.
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 3:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [flexcoders] Integrating Flex 1.5 or 2.0 with Community Server (Telligent)

 

Hello,

 

I’m developing a social networking website using “Community Server” portal software based on ASP.NET 2.0, more info about this product can be found at www.communityserver.com. My project is to deploy Community Server with Flex 1.5 or 2.0 for the presentation layer, in replacement of the existing default set of aspx pages, skins and themes. I would like to do this with the lowest amount code possible, considering that I can write HTML, CSS or MXML by hand but I’m still novice with Visual Studio and other languages with which I’m limited to existing code modification and skinning.

 

With this in mind, my questions are:

 

1- Can Flex get data from existing aspx pages through HTTPService, when those pages return HTML (normally intended for direct browsing)?

 

2- Is there any requirement or specificities regarding the data format or structure returned by the aspx templates?

 

3- Is there any issued related to session management in this context of HTTPService Post / Get?

 

Thank you all for your time,

 

Stephane B.

 





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