Josh's post is worth a read, Steven Webster mentioned a couple of times how excited he is for FES.
There is some room to give and take on how to implement Cairngorm. One case is that you can encapsulate all the FES DS and DataGrid functionality in its own ViewHelper and use Commands to make general calls to the ViewHelper from a UI perspective. I haven't looked at the all the uses of FES but from one stand point if the DS is self contained and relates to one form/datagrid it might warrant using a ViewHelper approach. Renaun --- In [email protected], "Venu Vasireddy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks Renaun. Concetually this must be true. But DataServices has has some cool features > like DS binding with DataGrid - my concern is how to fit such fecilities into framework . > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] on behalf of Renaun Erickson > Sent: Wed 3/15/2006 12:37 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Cairngorm Framework with Flex 2.0 > > > > The framework can be used for UI organization as well as the Data > Services. Its a big assumption stating its designed for RPC > protocols. Its actually designed for overall application design, the > Command pattern used by Cairngorm specifically compliments/facilitates > RPC, internal application messages, FES etc... > > When the application is a simple facade over the data services there > might not be a need to use a framework. But most applications have to > handle UI, Model, Commands(event flow), etc... and Cairngorm provides > a nice strucutre to handle the whole enchilada or just parts of it. > > FES is just part of the an application and might get you all the > implementation needed for handling the Model requirements of the > application. > > Renaun > > --- In [email protected], "Venu Vasireddy" <vvasireddy@> > wrote: > > > > I assume Cairngorm framework is designed having FLEX RPC protocols > > in mind - in perticular Remote object - how to sync value objects on > client and server. > > > > If we use FLEX 2.0 Dataservices, how does this Framework helps? > > Perhaps newer version of Cairngorm may better address this - > guleing data services with client state better. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Brian O'Connor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wed 3/15/2006 11:57 AM > > To: Venu Vasireddy; [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [flexcoders] RE: Cairngorm Framework with Flex 2.0 > > > > > > > > It is very much still a relevant and useful framework. You don't > necessarily need to use Cairngorm with FES but I have on a few > occasions. You should consider Cairngorm and FES 2 different animals. > Cairngorm is a good framework for application development and FES is a > great framework for performing a multitude of Enterprise Messaging and > Data Services. Check here for the latest version of Cairngorm... > > > > > > > > http://www.richinternetapps.com/archives/000143.html > > > > > > > > Someone will correct me if there is a newer version out there... > > > > > > > > Also, you can google "Cairngorm", there are some good article on the > design patterns and how to implement it properly. > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- > > > > Brian O'Connor > > > > Adobe Consulting > > > > Email: boconnor@ > > > > Office: 617-219-2205 > > > > Mobile: 617-306-3713 > > > > 8888/ \8888® > > 888/ \888 > > 88/ / \88 > > 8/ /8\ \8 > > / /888\ \ > > \8\ > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Venu Vasireddy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:50 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: Brian O'Connor > > Subject: RE: [flexcoders] RE: Cairngorm Framework with Flex 2.0 > > > > > > > > Hi Brian, > > > > > > > > Is this still a relevant useful frame work - with Flex 2.0 ? > > > > Does FES 2.0 has any inbuilt or recommended framework ? > > > > What is the current status of Cairngorm Framework? > > > > > > > > -Venu > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: [email protected] on behalf of Brian O'Connor > > Sent: Wed 3/15/2006 11:25 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [flexcoders] RE: Cairngorm Framework with Flex 2.0 > > > > Sure, what is the question? > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- > > > > Brian O'Connor > > > > Adobe Consulting > > > > Email: boconnor@ > > > > Office: 617-219-2205 > > > > Mobile: 617-306-3713 > > > > 8888/ \8888® > > 888/ \888 > > 88/ / \88 > > 8/ /8\ \8 > > / /888\ \ > > \8\ > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Venu Vasireddy > > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:13 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Cairngorm Framework with Flex 2.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi , > > > > > > > > Anybody using Cairngorm Framework with Flex 2.0? > > > > > > > > In perticular with FES data services? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Venu > > > > Architect > > > > > > > > -- > > Flexcoders Mailing List > > FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt > > Search Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > > > Web site design development > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Web+site+design+development&w1=Web+site+design+development&w2=Computer+software+development&w3=Software+design+and+development&w4=Macromedia+flex&w5=Software+development+best+practice&c=5&s=166&.sig=L-4QTvxB_quFDtMyhrQaHQ> > > > > > Computer software development > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Computer+software+development&w1=Web+site+design+development&w2=Computer+software+development&w3=Software+design+and+development&w4=Macromedia+flex&w5=Software+development+best+practice&c=5&s=166&.sig=lvQjSRfQDfWudJSe1lLjHw> > > > > > Software design and development > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Software+design+and+development&w1=Web+site+design+development&w2=Computer+software+development&w3=Software+design+and+development&w4=Macromedia+flex&w5=Software+development+best+practice&c=5&s=166&.sig=1pMBCdo3DsJbuU9AEmO1oQ> > > > > > Macromedia flex > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Macromedia+flex&w1=Web+site+design+development&w2=Computer+software+development&w3=Software+design+and+development&w4=Macromedia+flex&w5=Software+development+best+practice&c=5&s=166&.sig=OO6nPIrz7_EpZI36cYzBjw> > > > > > Software development best practice > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Software+development+best+practice&w1=Web+site+design+development&w2=Computer+software+development&w3=Software+design+and+development&w4=Macromedia+flex&w5=Software+development+best+practice&c=5&s=166&.sig=f89quyyulIDsnABLD6IXIw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > YAHOO! 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