I as a developer am not free to choose a development platform in our company. I was actually hired because the company was searching for developers who knew stuff about Coldfusion (later moved to flex).
When a company wants to do a project they usually study different roads depending on meeting their requirements, what it will cost, how long it will take. They don't go around the employment offices interviewing candidates and ask them what they would like to program in! (exagerating, I know)
I am there to consult/propose possible strategies in the first stage. They usually pick the ones they are familiar with, they are most confident about. After this I can start implementing.
With Flex1.5 there was the big cost tag on the whole infrastructure. Having to buy the server was already a big investment, spending months of development time to a rather new approach to RIA's was another horde that wasn't easy to take. Inhouse developers still need to convince the company why to go for specific new technology. The more it's know to them, the easier it can be to convince them of the benefits.
I myself am confronted with the AJAX hype in and outside my office. If they want a fancy feature on a website of ours the first thing they come up with is 'can it be done in AJAX?' No one asks if it can be done with Flex, let alone they would ask for a Flex2 implementation.
I agree with the first poster. It's time for Adobe to start promoting Flex so that people know that there is something else then AJAX for RIA implementations and with people I don't mean only developers. For me this was already a big problem with Flex1.5 (if it weren't for our personal contacts with the MM people at the time for Coldfusion, we would never have started with Flex projects) I don't think they can afford this again with Flex2...
B.
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Verzonden: do 25/05/2006 18:30
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Onderwerp: Re: [flexcoders] AJAX versus Flex
As Michael points, AJAX is the client technology this year, wait until Flex 2 ships and people start knowing what they can do it. It will cost at least a a year or even a bit more that people could see that Flex is another world.
But finaly, you as a developer, wants to do your job easily...and as you say your client should (most of the times) know if is Flex, VB or HTML...you want to be free as you do your work, isn't it?
2006/5/25, Michael Schmalle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hi,
my 0.02 cents.
When you talk about Ajax verses Flex. I think of one thing, Object Oriented Programming. This debate, Ajax vs. Flex, wait one more year and see the code libraries that are abstract and reusable within 2 seconds of loading them on your computer.
See, OOP lends itself well to the "I think I can, I think I can, I think I can" and then all the sudden your at rocket power. Take the Adobe flex2 framewrok and give it a trigger, I could out perform most that take Ajax and try to figure out the rats nest that comes with all the browsers, the half ass code libraries, etc.
OOP is still new and well, if you know what it is and how powerful it can speed up an entire community of developers, Ajax is then going to have to play catch up.
Flex2 isn't even public yet, so all this grandious, bs that the 'News' likes to fill your head with means nothing to a real Flex2 developer like myself.
As far a Microsoft... who cares! They have been leading for years and will still lead as long as there bank accounts can still pay court battles. There is never just one leader in this world, common, do your homework.
Peace, Mike
On 5/25/06, jwc_wensan < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:
To all:
Got this email today, http://ajax.sys-con.com/ and it got me to
thinking.
I may get blasted for this, but here goes . . . just my .0199 cents.
Let me first say I believe 100% that the Flex platform is a
better "mousetrap". I am currently developing applications with
Flex. I prefer Flex.
However, you can not open a software magazine, newsletter, journal,
article, etc. that doesn't reference something about AJAX. It's
everywhere. Adobe's Flex gets an "honorable mention".
I have been in the software business for over 27 years. I have seen
many companies come and go that had a better "mousetrap". I also
realize that most end users do not care if a desktop app is
developed with Visual C++ or Visual Basic. So why would they care
what a RIA app is developed with. Probably not.
In the end it is the application not the engine.
There seems to be a parallel between PCs with Windows and
Apple/Macs. Many believe that the Mac is better, but Apple/Mac has
less the 5% of the market.
Can Adobe accept 5% market share?
You also can not under estimate the impact when Microsoft releases
Atlas. And no Robert I don't want to hear about how you hate MS or
the evil empire. Fact is, tens of thousands of developers will and
I say will use their product.
What this also does is make it more difficult for developers to
convince management that the Flex product is better. Especially
when all they hear is AJAX this and AJAX that.
AJAX is getting all the hype. Right or wrong these are the facts.
They have essentially taken over the RIA landscape and claimed it as
their own.
My point . . . . Adobe you need to step up to the plate. If you
think you can wait, then by the time you start you will be too far
behind. You will be left behind always playing catch-up. If
you want to reach that 1 million developer goal, it needs to start
now.
To be better and say you are better is not enough. If the industry
has already declared AJAX as the RIA industry leader then it becomes
too late.
From a market perception, look how AJAX has evolved in the last
year. Compare that to Adobe Flex. Adobe you are asking developers
to make a commitment to you, well I think you need to increase your
commitment to us.
Now is the time to promote to the industry and the general public as
a whole about the value of Flex.
Again, just my opinion.
Sincerely,
Jack
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