Thanks Steven!
 
Believe it or not, I totally understand where you are coming from.
 
The only reason I am pushing so hard for this is two-fold:
 
1) With the application I am porting over, I know for a FACT that it will be better to do it the "Cairngorm Way" right off the bat, versus re-writing it the standard way (whatever that means...) and then re-coding it yet again with Cairngorm in mind.
 
2) I actually got 1/2 way through porting my Flash application over 2 years ago using the first incarnation of Flex Beta with Cairngorm - and I was LOVING every minute of it - in total AWE of what you and your associates have accomplished (when you were called iteration II).  I got it working quite well, but since there was no information regarding how much this platform was going to cost developers at the time of final release (at that time, it was a TON of money), I decided to stop working on the project until I knew where things were going.
 
That whole thing reminded me of the Macromedia Generator days - where you had to be a millionaire, just to afford the incredible platform for creating applications in Flash.  Then not too much time would go by, where the whole thing was either completely worthless -OR- ended up being free - due to another technology becoming available.
 
As much as I wish that I had stuck it out with Flex 1.5 (since it would be fresh in my mind right now - migrating to 2.0), I just couldn't justify the time investment back then.
 
With that said, I just need something SUPER simple - and I can figure all the rest out on my own.  I've been writing Flash Remoting Apps for a long time - and I do understand how a program should flow.  The learning curve shouldn't be too bad for me, but I just need some clear examples on some fairly simple concepts.
 
Thanks for everything, and I hope to get something nailed down soon -
 
Mike
 
P.S.  Even if you have any scraps of code, or Beta versions of tutorials (or sample apps) sitting on your hard drive somewhere, I'd be happy to see it - as I'd understand that it's not completely finished.  Just something, that uses the new namespace, and that demonstrates when & where I need to reference the specific classes that make up Cairngorm.


From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Webster
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Advice finding definitive Cairngorm examples ported for Flex 2.0

Mike,
 
We hear you .... however, we have to balance getting the framework available to those that are able to pick it up and run with it, versus getting nothing to anyone until we have lots of examples.
 
The 6-part series is purposefully designed to help elucidate the concepts behind Cairngorm; it is an intention to refresh this with another article part that brings this all to bear for Cairngorm 2 and Flex 2; however what's more important is that people understand the Cairngorm concepts, are comfortable with developing in Flex without Cairngorm, and so are able to transfer the concepts using the migration documents that we have written from Cairngorm 0.99 to Cairngorm 2.
 
We're looking to the community to also share their sample applications and experiences - hence the Wiki on Adobe Labs - and it has been great on flexcoders of late to see so many of the community responding with everything from blog entries, to articles, to sample apps using Cairngorm with AMFPHP and diagrams that describe how Cairngorm works.  We're collating these examples and will also make them more centrally available through www.adobe.com/go/cairngorm/
 
We *will* be releasing more samples for Cairngorm 2 - however in the meantime, if you're having issues, feel free to ask here and we'll endeavour to help you out.  Check out http://weblogs.macromedia.com/swebster/ and follow some of my colleagues blogs in the navigation - in particular Alex Uhlmann has been posting a number of simple examples, from Login examples through to a dashboard example, that are build upon Cairngorm 2.
 
I hope that helps in the interim, and welcome both suggestions and contributions from the community that has joined us since the release of Flex 2, with what we could do to make Cairngorm easier for you to embrace.
 
But first ... embrace Flex, and get used to building applications without the microarchitecture.  Keep Cairngorm out of your (general, not directed at Mike) initial learning curve, would be my strongest advice.
 
Kindest Regards,
 
Steven
 
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Anderson
Sent: 31 July 2006 18:58
To: [email protected]
Subject: [flexcoders] Advice finding definitive Cairngorm examples ported for Flex 2.0

Hello All,

Forgive me if this question has been asked before, but I am swimming in
old examples from a couple years ago - and there are too many
inconsistencies, namespace changes, etc. since that time.

Also, I am having a heck of a time, finding tutorials on how to truly
integrate Cairngorm into their existing Flex Apps.

What's even more frustrating, is the 6-part series that's always being
touted about on the Adobe Website - still references the old .99 version
of Cairngorm, and I am not even sure about the validity of the Flex
Store example (which is bundled within the .99 zip file).

Could any of you please point me in the right direction, as to where I
can find Flex 2.0 tutorials - which reference the com.adobe namespace?
Again, just having all this old source code from years ago, I don't even
know where to START.

Thanks all of you in advance,

Mike

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