RE: [flexcoders] Re: Caringorm - Visual Flowchart Poster!

[Evan Gifford]

ooooOOOo ….. you got me!   Yeah, you’re right .. :^)   Ok, so then what do you suggest for visually representing this aspect?   Thanks! Evan From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ralf Bokelberg Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 11:11 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Caringorm - Visual Flowchart Poster!   Hi Evan The commands represent parts of the controller. As such they don't implement businesslogic but control processes. For example a command could ask the model to insert a new record of data and thereafter to select this record. The insertion and selection of the data is done by the model, while the flow of actions is controlled by the command. Cheers, Ralf. On 8/3/06, Evan Gifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]ams.com> wrote: Hey Alex,   To visually represent what you've described, my best guess is to put a gear shape in the "ContactVO" which has the label "Business Logic", but then again what kind of Business logic is there in this example really?   I think what we're really talking about is a different, "advanced" diagram, which would process more complex data types and may even include more server-side technology like PDF generation, for instance.   I'd really like to make this "basic cairngorm" diagram as accurate as possible, but at the same time keep the use case very simple so that it's more useful to more people.   My concern with adding the "Business logic" to the ModelLocator is that, at least in my mind, it makes the role of the command a little more confusing whereas before it was fairly simple. (it actually did the processing)   I'm actually not the best person to make this decision, so I'll need another definitive answer from you guys, and I'll happily incorporate your decision into the design.   (Steven? :^) -Evan       From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Uhlmann Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 6:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: Caringorm - Visual Flowchart Poster!   Hey there,   first of all, I think it's great to see works like this done! Can I just suggest a little improvment, though. I only see the ModelLocator holding Value Objects. In my experience this means the actual business logic (if there is any) would probably then either have to be in the views or in the commands. Hovewer, I often see business logic in model objects that can be accessed by ModelLocator. Model objects might contain Value Objects. Your Commands could only be reusable requests to APIs of model objects. I'd definitely suggest focsing more on model objects, which can easily be unit tested etc. My latest blog entry has been about this topic: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/auhlmann/archives/2006/07/cairngorm_sampl_2.cfm   Now, back to vacation.  ;)   Best, Alex   Alex Uhlmann Consultant (Rich Internet Applications) Adobe Consulting Westpoint, 4 Redheughs Rigg, South Gyle, Edinburgh, EH12 9DQ, UK p: +44 (0) 131 338 6969 m: +44 (0) 7917 428 951  [EMAIL PROTECTED]com http://weblogs.macromedia.com/auhlmann       From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com] On Behalf Of Evan Gifford Sent: 31 July 2006 18:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: Caringorm - Visual Flowchart Poster! Hey Russell! I'm finishing up this diagram ([flexcoders] Caringorm - Visual Flowchart Poster!) .. and I sorted by subject so I missed your post, sorry!! Anyway, you can see the flowchart here: http://www.undustrial.com/flexdocs/cairngorm.gif At this stage, I'd prefer if you submit color/shape/organization changes back to me so that we can have one working copy of this document and finalize it by Wednesday. Thanks! Evan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com] On Behalf Of lownlazy000 Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 5:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Caringorm - Visual Flowchart Poster! If you would like to kick your visio chart over to me I would be happy to help. russellatcorbell.com.au > Also, I'll happily pass along the Visio document to anyone who would like to help, either with colors, shapes or organization, please don't hesitate to ring in.   -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: 7/28/2006   -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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