> Ahh man, you're off here but it is nothing but an opinion from both of us.
Your opinions are based on speculation. Mine are based on facts. > Competition helps the technology thrive. A lot of people in the community > stated the Adobe >merger took the competition out of the market due to > overlapping technology >(Fireworks<->Photoshop, DW<->Go Live, etc). > Now, unless WebORB is said to NEVER overlap with the technologies Adobe is > implementing then I will understand. If not, there is overlap. Oh yeah, you > might want to change .NET to YES and YES according to Allen. I don't know if > Adobe is working on one or not but I don't see why they wouldn't. There is no overlap. WebORB is doing this on purpose to stay out of Adobe's space. Adobe is not doing a .NET version... Allen is mistaken. > So, a question for you: if you build a product and someone else builds the > same product, is that competition? I say yes. Is Fluourine a competitor to > Adobe's $900 (or whatever it is) .NET implementation? Uh....yeah. :-) Adobe doesn't have a .NET implementation and is not creating one. > Disclaimer: > I'm not here to argue. From a business point of view, I just don't agree with > you Clint and, seemingly, Adobe doesn't either (based on your comment about > Adobe being "uncomfortable"). The main premise for your argument is that Adobe is creating a .NET implementation. They are not. WebORB is not competing in the same space as Adobe's FDS. It complements the same space. > > On 10/5/06, Clint Modien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How is WebORB a competitor to FDS in the AMF3 space? > > > > > > > > Backends FDS WEBORB > > > > Java Yes No > > > > CF Yes No > > > > .NET No Yes > > > > Ruby No Yes > > > > PHP No Yes > > > > > > > > By promoting WebORB it would be good for the community it would be good for > > Flex. > > > > > > > > I would rather have flex support 5 remoting solutions instead of 2. > > > > > > > > Thinking of WebORB as competition has created the scenerio where Adobe is > > "uncomfortable" with promoting WebORB. Stop thinking this way. It's > > supressing the technology. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:flexcoders@ yahoogroups.com] On > > Behalf Of John C. Bland II > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 4:15 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] WebOrb for Rails > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You make interesting points and I agree Adobe should think/act bigger in > > terms of other languages. Microsoft is even going it with .NET (IronPython, > > Ruby.NET; community driven but MSFT is "supporting" them/talking about > > them). > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't agree with every point though. WebORB is a competitor to FDS. > > Forget the implementation. The outcome is the same, right? That's all that > > matters. At least this is my opinion. If WebORB works just as good as FDS, > > I'd stick with ORB simply because I can change my backend and my front-end > > stay the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have yet to get it working (only tried once while I was in another preso > > so that doesn't count; lol) but I am highly interested in the Rails > > integration. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone open to give a preso on WebORB (with any backend language it > > supports) I can supply the Breeze room. :-) (hit me offlist) > > > > > > > > On 10/4/06, Clint Modien < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I love how much buzz WebOrb is getting. > > > > > > > > > > > > Adobe is trying to keep the price of their java/flash remoting server high. > > Which is understandable. They need to make money on the product or we'll > > all be out of jobs. (Well I would be anyway.) But if Adobe were to aquire > > WebOrb how much do you think the .NET version would be? Would the ROR and > > PHP versions be GPL? > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway licensing costs aside... Adobe is not making a .net version... as > > far as i know wondertwin (.net fds) was still born in 04'. I do however > > feel that Adobe is and has been making an enourmous mistake by only > > supporting Java/CF. How do they expect to reach a million developers by > > only supporting Java/CF? > > > > > > > > > > > > Adobe needs to hold up WebOrb to the public and say... "Look > > Flex/Flash/Apollo can support remote objects for multiple backends!!!" > > WebOrb isn't even producing a Java remoting implementation to stay out of > > Adobe's space and allow them to capitalize on the Java market of the large > > corporations. WEBORB IS NOT A COMPETITOR TO FDS BECAUSE WEBORB DOES NOT > > SUPPORT JAVA. IT COMPLEMENTS IT. Why isn't WebOrb all over the dev > > center? Why isn't Adobe pushing it? > > > > > > > > > > > > How many developers in the world use Java, CF, .NET, PHP, Ruby ?? 75% ? > > > > > > > > > > > > How many people is that in the world? 50 million? > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/4/06, Allen Riddle < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been looking at The Midnight Coder's WebOrb for Rails and I'm very > > impressed. Has Adobe given any thought to hiring these developers so they > > could get these implementations ported into Adobe's Flex Data Services? I > > know Adobe's working on a .NET implementation, but getting a Ruby > > implementation would be fantastic. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On > > Behalf Of Paul Spitzer > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 1:27 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] SOAP Web Services and registerClassAlias > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Seth. I should have read the docs. :)... "Preserves the class > > (type) of an object when the object is encoded in Action Message Format > > (AMF)." I didn't know it was AMF specific. > > > > It /would/ be great to see some more support for this kind of thing. In > > the past we've done things like... > > > > response.__proto__ = User.prototype; > > Function(User).call(response); > > var user: User = User(response); > > > > Where response is the parsed anonymous object from the web service and > > User is the type. Now, I'm having to manually iterate the anonymous > > object and populate an instance of the type. > > > > best, > > > > Paul > > > > Seth Hodgson wrote: > > > Hi Paul, > > > > > > registerClassAlias(...) is used by the Flash Player to drive AMF > > > serialization/deserialization. In the web service scenario, you're not > > > getting back AMF formatted data so this built-in function doesn't help > > > out. > > > > > > For now, you'll need to write your own helper classes that take the e4x > > > formatted result from your web service invocation and use it to create a > > > typed instance(s) of your choosing. > > > > > > Streamlining this process is on our roadmap. > > > > > > Best, > > > Seth > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > Paul Spitzer > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 10:13 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] SOAP Web Services and registerClassAlias > > > > > > Or, a little less specific... is there a way to get the Web Service > > > classes to return typed objects? > > > > > > Paul Spitzer wrote: > > > > > >> Anyone know if there a way to use registerClassAlias with Web Services > > >> to get typed objects back? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > John C. 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