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Agree - as I stated when I posted, its' not scientific for all three given Java also refers to coffee and at least one book was on a flex swing for golfing which probably had little to do with e4x operators in AS3 ;-) For the books however, I suspect that Macromedia Flex would have turned up a few more than Adobe Flex.
Google is also notoriously difficult to understand in terms of how it generates its numbers. For example, this afternoon a search for "flex" now bring about 69MM hits. To try and separate adobe flex from other forms of flex, I tried two searches - one with Flex but no mention of Adobe ("flex -adobe") and a second one for "adobe + flex" (forgetting macromedia for now). The results are illogical - Flex + adobe turns up about 19MM hits so therefore "Flex -adobe" should turn up 69MM - 19MM or 50MM but it doesn't - it reports 68MM The numbers just don't add up. Grrr!!!
Nevertheless, the blog trend seems to be indicative of people talking about it publicly more and more. There is still a long way to go.
Duane
"Speaking only for myself"
On 10-Oct-06, at 11:56 AM, Brendan Meutzner wrote: As would be the number of jobs on monster.com... "flex time" would be the culprit...
On 10/10/06, Mark Piller < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 45,894 books on Flex??? That number must be so much off, given that
the search for "Adobe Flex" on Amazon returns just 6.
Mark
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, DUANE NICKULL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What drives learning/adoption is jobs. When there are Flex jobs,
> there will be Flex coders taking those jobs. The metrics I used for
> Perl/Java/Flex are not perfect but I have found this method to be
> very accurate in the past to predicting trends in the market. Given
> Perl and Java are both incumbent programming languages, the odds are
> stacked against Flex which is really a programming model/platform
> rather than a language but I wanted to go up against the languages on
> an even basis to see where Flex stacks up. The results are encouraging:
>
> 1. How many hits are there on Google:
> Perl: 195MM
> Java: 551MM (Winner)
> Flex: 74MM
>
> 2. How many jobs have the keyword on Monster.com within 50 miles of
> Zip code 95110 ( San Jose)
> Perl: 360
> Java: 442 (Winner)
> Flex: 28
>
>
> 3. How many searches on the keywords on Overture.com August 2006
> Perl: 12,332
> Java: 192,000 (Winner)
> Flex: 31,964 (Yes - we beat Perl!!!)
>
> 4. How many searches are returned on Google Blogsearch for the last
> month only:
> Perl: 531
> Java: 450
> Flex: 596 (Winner)
>
> 5. How many books on Amazon.com does a keyword search turn up?
> Perl: 13,758
> Java: 38,657
> Flex: 45, 894 (Winner)
>
> Of course, this is not very scientific given java also means coffee
> and there are books on Google on Golf Flex. To me, the number of
> books and blog mentions is really indicative of a trend just starting
> to rise.
>
> Cheers!
>
> D
>
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>
> On 10-Oct-06, at 5:51 AM, Ray wrote:
>
> > Matt,
> >
> > One of the best ways in my opinion to market Flex is by having Flex
> > applications in the wild.
> >
> > As a ColdFusion developer I am excited about the possibilities of
> > using ColdFusion and Flex together. I do however think it would be
> > nice to have a few more CF Flex-centric articles and tutorials
> > available. The CF wizards that are available with Flex Builder are
> > great but they do not quite get me where I want to go. I would like to
> > see an example application that includes security using cflogin. A
> > fully functioning Flex + CF application such as cfpetstore would be
> > nice too.
> >
> > You have a pretty passionate and vocal community of ColdFusion
> > developers. Get us to be as equally vocal and passionate about Flex. I
> > think that would help in marketing Flex a great deal.
> >
> > Ray
> >
> >
> > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Chotin" <mchotin@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey guys, I'm trying to get a better statement of our marketing plans
> >> and what we're doing currently so you can see that we're not exactly
> >> sitting idle here. In the meantime, I hear you guys say that none of
> >> your friends tend to hear of Flex, but they know other
> >> technologies. So
> >> where do they hear about other technologies? Are they reading
> >> certain
> >> publications? Blogs? When they talk about other technologies do
> >> they
> >> actually know what they're talking about or is it just repeating the
> >> buzz?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> >> [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On
> >> Behalf Of Tariq Ahmed
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 1:58 PM
> >> To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flex Marketing
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'd agree to that. The marketing effort seems to heavily rely on the
> >> development community doing that job for them. Things like labs and
> >> DevNet are KEY to maximizing technology adoption - but people need to
> >> know about it in the first place.
> >>
> >> To Restate Adobe's Goal: 1 000 000 Flex Developers by 2010.
> >>
> >> Some HEAVY DUTY marketing is needed. It definitely made sense to
> >> capture
> >> those who are most amiable to Flex (CF and Flash developers) first
> >> and
> >> grow from there. I think someone blogged about this before; in
> >> that of
> >> course Adobe related blogs are going to be heavy proponents for Adobe
> >> technologies. But now it's time to penetrate into the rest of the
> >> world.
> >>
> >> In polling my heavy duty tech friends in other industries, they
> >> BARELY
> >> know what Flex is. Many haven't heard of it. And some have heard
> >> of it,
> >> just because they heard me mention it.
> >>
> >> Awareness of the brand and technology needs to be more prevalent.
> >>
> >> Gimme a cool Flex decal and I'll put it on my car! :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Clint Modien wrote:
> >>
> >> I mentioned this @ the Silicon Valley Flex User Group meeting
> >> the
> >> other day but I wanted to reiterate it here and see if I could
> >> invoke
> >> a response from Adobe.
> >>
> >> Mr. Mendels?
> >>
> >> Where is the marketing for Flex? Why keep the most beautiful
> >> framework in the world for creating applications a secret? Where
> >> are
> >> the Visual Studio style banner adds everywhere. Where is the
> >> buzz for
> >> it on Slashdot. Why arn't other developers in the world standing
> >> up
> >> and saying is creating applications really this easy!?!
> >>
> >> I've seen the lights go on in a developers eyes when they get
> >> it.
> >> When they see what 5 lines of code can acomplish with Flex. They
> >> get
> >> excited. Excitement sells licenses.
> >>
> >> (Gets off his soapbox and points to it...) ... Thoughts?
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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