I agree it was a fun read, and I think Dave you got it right. It's a confirmation of the market and everyone it will benefit. Plus a little competition keeps everyone on their toes ;-)
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Wolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Scott, > > > Sillyness aside, there is substance to this and it was a great read, > but i think what hurt it's purity is the undercurrent of "MS is evil, > watch them" mentality. > > I assure you that undertone wasn't purposeful. I did flub the Sparkle > reference, but then again, most people misunderstood what Sparkle was > and the general understanding at large was the Sparkle was WPF/E. > Code words are supposed to be confusing right? :=) > > As you said, aiming at that would have just undone the message I was > trying to get out. > > Worth noting BTW, I am a MSFT Alumnus. > > -- > Dave Wolf > Cynergy Systems, Inc. > Adobe Flex Alliance Partner > http://www.cynergysystems.com > http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Office: 866-CYNERGY > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Barnes" scott.barnes@ > wrote: > > > > Dave.C, > > > > Dave.W gets it :) He understands that the RIA space is not exclusive > to one > > company but many, while I get the undercurrent of his blog-speech, I do > > however disagree with the "dark evil plotting" - MIX isn't because MAX > > exists, its actually because it's intent is to showcase a MIX of > Microsoft > > Technologies in the one spot, consolidated. Usually PDC / TechEd are > > reserved for the 100% Microsoft pieces (except TechEd Australia were > we are > > hoping to mix-it-up a bit more). > > > > Furthermore, we are looking to REMIX (Australia, Melbourne, June 25th - > > 26th) in the rest of the world based off what the US version does and so > > on.. point I'm thinking folks at times amplify the paranoia around > > Microsoft ;) > > > > Secondly, Sparkle was the code-name for Expression Blend, and JOLT > was the > > code-name for Silverlight. I also get nervous when anyone uses the term > > "Missiles","Big Bang" and Microsoft. As when they do, i start to > think of > > Cult Followings and ponder if I've been duped into some mystic cult > (I'll be > > that guy running out in FBI handcuffs on Hard Copy saying "I didn't > know..I > > didn't know..") > > > > Sillyness aside, there is substance to this and it was a great read, > but i > > think what hurt it's purity is the undercurrent of "MS is evil, > watch them" > > mentality. > > > > I'm evil, Microsoft isn't though (just to clarify that). > > > > On 4/20/07, Dave Carabetta dcarabetta@ wrote: > > > > > > I hope this isn't taken with as some sort of corporate shill for my > > > employer, as it's honestly not my intent, but Dave Wolf, Vice > President of > > > Consulting at Cynergy Systems, gives an excellent summary as to why > > > Silverlight is a phenomenally important announcement to the RIA > industry and > > > why it's not just some "copycat Flash" competitor. If you're > looking for a > > > balanced view of Silverlight's effect, check out his latest blog > entry: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs/page/davewolf?entry=wake_up_and_see_\ the > > > > > > Regards, > > > Dave Carabetta. > > > Cynergy Systems, Inc. > > > > > > On 4/18/07, Scott Barnes scott.barnes@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Its an annoyance of mine aswell. I'm confused as to why .NET > remoting > > > > was dropped from Flash/Flex (haven't yet seen FLASH CS3 and > whether its back > > > > but yeah, no idea and all i can say is Mark's got his head > screwed on right > > > > and he can help with WebORB in that regard. Actually the Flex > Builder > > > > integration is quite stunning I must say, it left both Andrew > Shorten & I > > > > drooling @ Feb Seattle Flex UG) > > > > > > > > That so sounded like a plug didn't it :) hehe. (Sorry it wasn't > meant to > > > > be) > > > > > > > > > > > > On 18 Apr 2007 07:38:08 -0700, mvbaffa mvbaffa@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I've been working with Flex since its alpha version. Before the > > > > > release version was avaiable I had an application with AMFPHP > ready. > > > > > That is I really love Flex and i have been working with it > since it's > > > > > 1.5 version. > > > > > > > > > > But I am a .NET developer, I have a huge legacy in .NET > Framework 2.0 > > > > > and 1.1. I don't know why Adobe, up to this moment, is maintaining > > > > > exclusive focus on Java. There are a lot of .NET developers that > > > > > would like to have a server framework developed directly from > Adobe. > > > > > > > > > > Applications are not only Client, they need a strong and > consistent > > > > > server Framework. I beleive that if Adobe maintains its exclusive > > > > > focus on java it will loose, very soon a good number of .NET > > > > > developers. > > > > > > > > > > Communications Foundations is really good and it will be > better very > > > > > soon. And it's price is very good, it is free !!!!! > > > > > > > > > > I am still working on the Microsoft framework. But I beleive > that WPF > > > > > and SilverLight can be very soon a real competitive alternative. > > > > > > > > > > Marcus Baffa > > > > > NOVA Consulting > > > > > > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > "Peter Demling" <pdemling@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Version 1 of Microsoft products have historically been slow, > > > > > > unapologizing in their copycat nature, and hampered by large > numbers > > > > > > of major bugs and gaps in functionality. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, their astronomical cash reserves and relentless > commitment > > > > > to > > > > > > establish market share has almost always led to vastly improved > > > > > > products in version 2 and beyond. So of course, Silverlight > is no > > > > > > match for Flex - right now. But if Microsoft sustains its > > > > > commitment, > > > > > > it's not a question of *if* it could be "almost as good" as > Flex - > > > > > > just a matter of when. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't say this as a criticism of Microsoft (I use several > of their > > > > > > > > > > > products daily and love them), but rather to point out that > they are > > > > > > more of a market force than a true software company - and so the > > > > > > relative success of Silverlight (or any other MS offering) is > > > > > > pre-ordained, so long as they decide that's what they want > to do - > > > > > > it's independent of the present quality of the actual product. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Peter Demling > > > > > > Lexington, MA > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > <flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > "Scott Barnes" <scott.barnes@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Claus, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup, so that's why FLEX does have its unique offering vs > > > > > SilverLight and > > > > > > > once developers & designers unsubscribe from the notion it's > > > > > a "Flash > > > > > > > Killer" and do more of what you are doing (exploring it's > upcoming > > > > > > release) > > > > > > > you'll decide on what you think it's merits are vs aren't. > It's > > > > > > early days > > > > > > > yet, so wouldn't worry to much about it folks ;) just keep an > > > > > open mind > > > > > > > should you want to take it for a test-run post MIX07 :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WPF & SilverLight are going to have interesting prospects just > > > > > like > > > > > > Apollo > > > > > > > and FLEX will have it's own, I think the two will do different > > > > > > things for > > > > > > > different people. Keep fingers in all barrels I'd say :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Apr 2007 03:30:22 -0700, Claus Wahlers <claus@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you read FUD crap, ignore it on both sides and just be > > > > > opened > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > idea that theres yet another channel of delivery in rich > > > > > interactive > > > > > > > > > applications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reading through the Silverlight docs, XAML looks to me like > > > > > some weird > > > > > > > > kind of microsoftified SVG, spiced up with MP3 and WM > codecs. > > > > > I'm > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > searching but so far i couldn't find anything close to > what Flex > > > > > > offers > > > > > > > > (what i found are some barely working and butt ugly > component > > > > > > > > experiments). I'd guess that Silverlight will get some video > > > > > market > > > > > > > > share, but it has a long way to go to enter the RIA > market. My 2 > > > > > > > > > > > centavos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Claus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > claus wahlers > > > > > > > > côdeazur brasil > > > > > > > > http://codeazur.com.br/ > > > > > > > > http://wahlers.com.br/claus/blog/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Scott Barnes > > > > > > > http://www.mossyblog.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Scott Barnes > > > > http://www.mossyblog.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Scott Barnes > > http://www.mossyblog.com > > >
