I think it's too early to infer that thermo is just for designers or whether it'll be a separate product or the a replacement for flex design view.
Currently, I find it quite scary how good Adobe is at extracting money from me.. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "dbronk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <flexcoders@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 2:19 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Thermo & Cairngorm >A question... Why another designer? Why not add the Thermo features > into FlexBuilder or Flash? To think that only designers will use this > tool is short-sighted. Developers will definitely also like to see > these features as once the development begins, the lines between the > designers and developers becomes blurred. And, on many projects, the > designers and developers are the same people and now we will need to > swap between IDE's. I don't know about Thermo, but Eclipse is not > very friendly with resources and it is simply more convenient to have > it in a single IDE. > > Dale > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "hank williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Thanks Matt, >> >> It is as I would have guessed. As long as you guys have it as a > design goal >> you can for sure work it out. But I am sure you will find a fair > number of >> gotchas. >> >> Hank >> >> On 10/4/07, Matt Chotin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > The idea is that Thermo would not corrupt any code from the > file that >> > it is working on because we want designers and developers to be > able to work >> > on the same files. But obviously as you get deeper into > development it may >> > be that a designer has to be a little more careful as they make >> > modifications since there will now be dynamic code dependent on > the UI. But >> > we're very early here so as we build the product out we'll want to > test >> > these kinds of scenarios very carefully. >> > >> > >> > >> > *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On >> > Behalf Of *hank williams >> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:13 PM >> > *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com >> > *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Thermo & Cairngorm >> > >> > >> > >> > Yeah, thats why my initial post said "Do any adobe folks know > whether..." >> > :) >> > >> > Hank >> > >> > On 10/4/07, *Merrill, Jason* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > I don't think anyone knows the answer to that yet (at least from > the Max >> > demo) - except Adobe people and a few Adobe insiders. >> > >> > Jason Merrill >> > Bank of America >> > GT&O Learning & Leadership Development >> > eTools & Multimedia Team >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On >> > Behalf Of *hank williams >> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:58 PM >> > >> > >> > *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com >> > *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Thermo & Cairngorm >> > >> > >> > >> > Hmmm... >> > >> > Thanks Jason, but I am not sure you quite got the gist of my question. >> > Perhaps I was unclear. I was under no illusion that one would be > creating >> > business logic in Thermo. My question is whether the workflow between >> > caringorm delegates, commands, etc and the Thermo UI code will be > easily >> > maintained separately. Will we be able to embed cairngorm commands > and model >> > access in the UI stuff that is generated by Thermo. Will the > round-tripping >> > work. Does the conceived work flow target the cairngorm developer > along side >> > the designer in a smooth way. >> > >> > Hank >> > >> > On 10/4/07, *Merrill, Jason* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > I was there for the Thermo demo (which was awesome), and they > basically >> > said Thermo is for designing Flex apps and jump-starting the basic >> > interactivity between components - it's not going to be targeted > at doing >> > the full-blown architecture/business logic/coding of am MXML app. > You can >> > have a designer work with Thermo, while the developer works with Flex. >> > >> > >> > >> > Jason Merrill >> > Bank of America >> > GT&O Learning & Leadership Development >> > eTools & Multimedia Team >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > *From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On >> > Behalf Of *Paul Andrews >> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:46 AM >> > *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com >> > *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Thermo & Cairngorm >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "hank williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <hank777%40gmail.com>> >> > To: < flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>> >> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:39 PM >> > Subject: [flexcoders] Thermo & Cairngorm >> > >> > > Do any adobe folks know whether thermo will easily support the >> > > cairngorm architecture? Ideally I would like to either replace (or >> > > ideally enhance) my view classes with thermo and keep all by > business >> > > and communications logic exactly the same as it is now. Will this >> > > "transition to Thermo" workflow be supported? >> > > >> > > Hank >> > >> > From the videos, I would surmise that Thermo is a very nice screen > design >> > tool, but doesn't automatically include anything else besides basic >> > interactions. You just need to add the other architectural layers > (as per >> > cairngorm) yourself. It really doesn't seem to affect business and >> > communications logic at all. >> > >> > I'm not sure what transition is required. It replaces aspects of the >> > current >> > flexbuilder design view and includes extra functionality and > intelligent >> > importation of graphical elements. >> > >> > Paul >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > -- > Flexcoders Mailing List > FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt > Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
