DISCLAIMER: The opinions statements expressed here are my personal opinions and 
not that of FlexRadio Systems.

Here is the problem with a PC that is experiencing delay and latency that is 
out of specification for a real-time audio system; it isn't exclusively 
effecting RX - it effects TX too.  Missing elements or words in CW due to 
dropped buffers is not an acceptable operating condition. The same goes for 
digital modes too where timing is of the essence.  In voice, if the dropped 
audio buffers are on the order of a few hundred ms, then it just sounds choppy. 
 Dropping audio buffers just isn't a realistic option for a SDR.

You can not compare a FLEX-5000 +RX2 to a consumer CD audio device installed in 
your computer.  That device is processing two (2) channels of 44100Hz audio 
(bit) streams.  The FLEX-5000 is processing up to ten (10) isochronous 192 KHz 
bit streams.  This is not close to a fair comparison with a CD player.  What 
comes close is a Firewire attached multi-channel mixing console, but they are 
usually not running at a 192 KHz sampling rate.

There are three issues here.  

One - This is a real-time or near real time audio processing system (PC, 
Firewire and software) and there will be a point where the delays are too long 
and it no longer is functioning within acceptable operating parameters.  There 
is NO software fix that will correct excessive system latencies on the fly - 
this is a system (software & hardware) problem. If the system is not capable of 
operating without latencies that exceed this threshold, there is noting you can 
do except fix the system. You can slow down time in the vicinity of a black 
hole, but if you are that close you have other bigger problems than playing ham 
radio. :-)

Two - As noted in #1, there is a threshold of  system latency, once reached, 
you can not do anything about and the system stops performing to 
specifications.  Before you reach that threshold point, where the system is 
operating in a high latency condition, but not failing completely, the software 
(driver in this case) must be smart enough to properly handle and buffer the 
delays to maintain proper audio characteristics so the system performs as 
designed and expected.  This I believe is the point Drax is making that raspy 
audio is not indicative of the driver handling this pre-failure threshold 
condition properly because it is distorting the audio.  He is making a valid 
point.

Three - When your system is experiencing latencies where it is operating in 
that area where the driver is having to do a lot of buffering and recovery 
operations due to excessive system latencies, this should not be an area where 
you operate the radio normally.  You do not want to be near the threshold limit 
because there is not enough "headroom" to handle the occasional extra long 
latency event.  This is the point Brian is making.  Right now, when the 
Firewire driver hits a fault condition and the audio becomes raspy, this is the 
equivalent of a car's "check engine light" coming one telling you something 
isn't quite right with the system and needs to be addressed.  That activity is 
optimizing your PC to reduce system latencies by updating drivers and BIOSes, 
removing or not using resource consuming applications while operating a 
real-time audio processing application (like PowerSDR) or upgrading your 
hardware.

I want the driver to handle thing properly in the "danger zone", but I also 
want my real-time audio processing system to normally have system latencies low 
enough that I do not have to invoke the "danger zone" driver logic.

IMHO, both Drax and Brain are correct.


-Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
On Behalf Of Drax Felton
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:35 PM
To: 'dj'
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FlexEdge] PowerSDR 3644 Raspy audio - older versions

True they may buffer quiet a bit.  But the SDR can just hiccup the audio and 
start at the current time.
Essentially ignoring what was lost during the event's delay... Or any other 
solution rather than forcing me to shutdown and restart.



-----Original Message-----
From: dj [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:22 PM
To: Drax Felton
Subject: Re: [FlexEdge] PowerSDR 3644 Raspy audio - older versions

But you are right to bring up problems with PSDR 2.  It's out there for us to 
test and ferret out problems.  More so if it appears to be a driver issue.

However, comparisons with satellite TV and CD players are off the mark.
Those devices buffer several seconds of signal so they can stop and recover 
without running out of signal.  I'll bet they do that far more than we actually 
detect because they usually can do it before the buffer empties.
Can you imagine the latencies we would be seeing if PSDR buffered everything 
before passing the audio along?

dj
W6CAK


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