Jim Wilson wrote:
> Think I saw something that was maybe at a fixed weight.  Not the full
> Flight manual table.  When I get home I'll look for it.  But I was
> suprised at the data.  At lower altitudes it was over 4000fpm and was
> at least 2000fpm up to and over 30000ft.  Finally dropped off to about
> 400fpm at 40000ft, reaching 0 somewhere around 43000ft.

I found this X-Plane site:

http://webpages.charter.net/rtpete/html/747.html

Which agrees with you for the most part:

> ROC Rate Of Climb
> [...]
> Above 10,000 ft to Cruise Flight Level FL
>   * 2200fpm from 10,000 - 20,000ft @ 280 - 340kts
>   * 2000 - 1500fpm from 20,000 - 26,000ft
>   * 1500 - 400fpm from 26,000 - 35,000 ft depending on weight

But note the speed: 280-340 knots (it doesn't say indicated or true,
sadly).  That's much higher than the 230 knots that I was flying last
night.  I think what's happening is that for the initial climb out,
the aircraft wants to be in a high-AoA attitude; otherwise you'd have
a liftoff speed of 300+ knots and the wheels would incinerate.  Once
off the ground, the 250 knot speed limit is still on the back side of
the power curve.  If the autopilot is engaged there, the aircraft will
get stuck on the back side, and never find the high-efficiency climb
regime at lower AoA.

Try this (since I'm at work and can't): trim for 250 knots only up to
10000 feet, and then push the nose down and accelerate to something
like 300 before engaging the autopilot again (or better yet, trim for
300 knots and don't engage the autopilot at all).  See if the climb
performance in the flight levels improves.

I'll see if I can throw together a "climb rate finder" program, along
the same lines as the jet thrust analyzer I did yesterday.  This would
be generically useful -- being able to hand it a YASim description and
get back a chart of best climb speed/AoA at each altitude.

Andy

-- 
Andrew J. Ross                NextBus Information Systems
Senior Software Engineer      Emeryville, CA
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