Andy Ross writes:

 > And it *was* trimming for zero /controls/elevator{-trim}.  That's the
 > whole point: It's not a bug in the solver.  The pitching moment* at
 > the specified cruise conditions is very near zero; that's what the
 > solver does.  The problem is that a real aircraft under those
 > conditions *doesn't* have its trim wheel set to zero.  So the "feel"
 > to someone comparing the aircraft's trim behavior to a real one is as
 > if the trim is more nose down than it should be.

j3cub.xml originally had the following entry for cruise:

  <cruise speed="64" alt="0">
    <control-setting axis="/controls/throttle[0]" value="0.75"/>
    <control-setting axis="/controls/mixture[0]" value="0.75"/>
  </cruise>

>From what I understand, with elevator trim and elevator set to zero,
the plane should be trimmed for 64 kcas (74 mph).  However, if I zero
the elevator and elevator trim, the nose drops and eventually settles
around 110-120 mph.  What accounts for the difference?

You can test this by commenting out my elevator axis line in
the cruise element in the latest j3cub.xml, then starting

  fgfs --altitude=3000 --vc=64 --aircraft=j3cub

 > Your Cherokee, for example, probably wants to fly at something like
 > 80 knots with the trim wheel centered (I'm guessing).  An
 > equivalent YASim model would likely have a cruise configuration of
 > 110 knots, would set the trim to that speed, and would therefore
 > "feel" nose heavy despite the aerodynamic behavior being identical.
 > The fix is to examine the trim wheel in cruise and set that value
 > as a control input to the cruise configuration.

That's very helpful -- thanks.  Note that the small planes I've flown
tend to use a bit of forward (nose-down) trim in cruise, not nose-up.


All the best,


David

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David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/

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