On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:39:44 +0200, 
Matevz Jekovec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I'm bringing a bad news guys. I was contacting Rober Lozada (Falcon
> F16  modeler) for a help to include his models in FlightGear. He
> didn't agree  to that due to lack of time. I asked him about the
> permission of use in  case we figure it out how to import Falcon
> models, but I didn't get the  answer.
>  Looks like we'll have to manage without the Falcon models ... for
>  now:(.

..nope, we only need someone _elses_ F-16's.  
However, these mails do offer a lesson.

> 
>  - Matevz
> 
> 
> From: Robert Lozada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Matevz ThePianoGuy Jekovec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Request for assistance in exporting your F16 models to
> FlightGear Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:57:14 -0700 (PDT)
> 
>  Hi Matevz,
> 
>  First let me thank you for your interest and kind
>  words about the models I've worked on.
> 
>  While I find your group's objectives laudable, I do
>  not feel comfortable at this time releasing the models
>  to FlightGear.  The thought of others possibly
>  capitalizing on hours of my work does not sit well
>  with me.
> 
>  I wish you and your group luck in your venture and
>  hope to see FlightGear emerging as a standard to beat.
> 
>  -Robert

..Robert pees back on our backs, but says _No._  
He _is_ entitled to, he _owns_ his own work.


..had we asked "Request for permission to use your nice F16 
models in FlightGear", he _might_ have considered otherwise, 
but, _we_ asked _him_ to (help) _do_ the job.  _Booo_.


> 
>  --- Matevz ThePianoGuy Jekovec
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > Hello Robert.
>  > I am an active FlightGear simulator developer
>  > (www.flightgear.org) and
>  > a member of Falcon community. FlightGear has finally
>  > come to the point
>  > where it would need some exciting new 3D models,
>  > especially aircrafts.
>  > We are in desperate need of an F-16 fighter aircraft

..no, we're not!  "We would like the very best" etc, is very true, 
and, I dunno about you guys, but I _hate_ it when people pee down 
_my_ back, and then want the _pee_, to pay for my work for them.

..I _do_ get more pee-tolerant when asked for a simple "Yes".

..that said, the meaning of polite words, phrases and, _contexts_, 
can be perceived _vastly_ differently, and we need to beware of 
these cultural and linguist things, whenever we ask favors like 
this, and especially when our, _and_, their command of the comm 
language, such as with the GPL legalese, is disputable.   

..so, I prefer _preventive_ chew outs, and for FlightGear, 
I'll give'em and I'll take'em, also in private mails.  ;-)

-- 
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-)
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
  Scenarios always come in sets of three: 
  best case, worst case, and just in case.


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