Martin Spott wrote:
Boris Koenig wrote:


The mentioned sourceforge projects are certainly not "popular",
if I remember correctly, only one of these does  actually interface
with the existing ivao/vatsim infrastructure, [...]


BTW, do you know enough about these two networks to provide a short
summary. I know the people at our flight school use VATSIM for their
fun rides but I don't have any idea if it has any advantage over IVAO,

Well, to be honest I don't know either of these networks *really*, it's just that friends of mine are into that ATC thing, so I happen to have installed/set up the stuff for them, once I even started it myself in order to see "where's the fun stuff" - but actually it seemed quite boring, so maybe that was simply a bad day or I'm simply too easily bored ;-)

But on the other hand you  really need to read a lot of stuff to be
familiar with the UI, both VATSIM and IVAO provide tutorials, that
take hours to work through ...

And knowing the procedures is still a whole different thing.

So, my motivation was certainly a bit 'questionable' :-)

But having watched people who really do this as a "hobby", it
seems like there's a lot of professionalism involved, certainly
also because really many REAL LIFE controllers (or at least
those that are in ATC *training*) like to practice this way ...

So, that's also the moviation of a friend of mine - training
multi-tasking for the final job, without risking anything :-)

But back to your original question, while I cannot answer it
personally this seems to be a pretty 'religious' issue to
those VATSIM/IVAO folks, you can find numerous 'flame wars' online,
either in forums or via usenet, just check google:

http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=eCv%24XrmMDHA.1908%40TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl&rnum=3&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dvatsim%2Bivao%26hl%3Dde%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3DeCv%2524XrmMDHA.1908%2540TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl%26rnum%3D3

That would already be the requested "comparison" topic - telling from
your name you are probably German, too - so you should not have any
trouble if I save my time and don't translate all that stuff ;-)

But there's more about that:

http://groups.google.de/groups?q=vatsim+ivao&hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=c99o8c%242ee%2402%241%40news.t-online.com&rnum=7
http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=avnq5q%24dje%2407%241%40news.t-online.com&rnum=13&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dvatsim%2Bivao%26start%3D10%26hl%3Dde%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3Davnq5q%2524dje%252407%25241%2540news.t-online.com%26rnum%3D13
http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&frame=right&th=bfb3443b81b64bae&seekm=9vo4b1%2423h%2402%241%40news.t-online.com#link5

And even some stuff for our English-speaking readers: :-)

http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=3e46edd0%241%40news.simflight.com&rnum=35&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dvatsim%2Bivao%26start%3D30%26hl%3Dde%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D3e46edd0%25241%2540news.simflight.com%26rnum%3D35
http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=403e18e3%241%40news.simflight.com&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dvatsim%2Bivao%26hl%3Dde%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D403e18e3%25241%2540news.simflight.com%26rnum%3D2
http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=401cd8f8%240%2429132%24afc38c87%40news.optusnet.com.au&rnum=16&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dvatsim%2Bivao%26start%3D10%26hl%3Dde%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D401cd8f8%25240%252429132%2524afc38c87%2540news.optusnet.com.au%26rnum%3D16


And there are many more hits regarding the IVAO vs. VATSIM debate.

Personally, I consider this ridiculous: combining their efforts and
creating ONE BIG network would benefit EVERYBODY - everything would
be perfect if they could also initiate opensource development of a
COMMON protocol that is NOT specific to a particular OS or even
flight simulator ...




---------- Boris

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