On mercredi 12 novembre 2008, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:22:12 +0100, gerard wrote in message
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Hello
> > It is not the Concorde , nor the Titannic only the Crusader which
> > sink. I have just updated the FDM of the  F-8E Crusader, which will
> > sink if you try to land on water.
> > It only pretend to show that is possible to simulate an aircraft
> > which sink when on the water.
> >
> > It is NOT  an animation but the real behavior controlled  by the FDM
> > (JSBSim)
> >
> > First stage   the aircraft is sliding on the water.
> > http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/Cruse-sink-stage1.jpg
> >
> > Second stage (20 sec later) the Aircraft is stopped , it begin to
> > sink. http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/Cruse-sink-stage2.jpg
>
> ..once water bangs in thru that big hole up front,
> wouldn't it rip up the airframe?

In reality the pilot should have pulled the jettison handle,  the canopy is 
then ejected, just before the pilot himself.

Which happened  :(  mainly  after catapulting  ( defect of power) 

This could be part of an animation with submodel ( it could be an other story)
I had done it some years ago but was never included.
>
> > Third stage (10 sec later) , the nose and the cockpit are in the
> > water http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/Cruse-sink-stage3.jpg
> >
> > Forth stage (10 sec later), now there nothing to be done only the
> > tail can be seen.
> > http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/Cruse-sink-stage4.jpg
> >
> > You can experience that process with the Crusader from CVS, last
> > update (NOW) Remember you must touch the water at low speed.
> >
> > You may do it with landing gear down ( though, any real pilot will
> > tell you, to do it, gear up)
> > Here it was done gears down
>
> ..this is just your screen shots and not the French Navy
> F-8E ditch policy???  The F-8 is no Cub where you _can_ do
> idiot stunts like aquaplane taxiing in RL if you lock the
> brakes before touchdown on water.
> How many seconds does a F-8 ditch take from touchdown to
> "fin under water"?

I never got any precise answer from my friends, in any case it was very short.
These aircraft are not boats :) 
>
> > ( only to prove that we don't walk on the
> > sea :) ) Beware a too high speed will act the crash and freeze FG.
> >
> > When the aircraft stop to slide on the water, the process will
> > start , it takes about 40 seconds
> >
> > Any FDM parameters can be modified , so we could get a very smooth
> > sinking, and some others  behavior, if wanted.
> >
> > Cheers



-- 
Gérard
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/

J'ai décidé d'être heureux parce que c'est bon pour la santé. 
Voltaire


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