On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:08:17 +0200, Leonardo wrote in message 
<1cc3f5360910281208h5ea7ca78k4638c1af06bbe...@mail.gmail.com>:

> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Arnt Karlsen <a...@c2i.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:50:14 -0500, Curtis wrote in message
> > <ef5fc9920910270650p21349d36x27b990b1a8ea3...@mail.gmail.com>:
> >
> > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:46 AM, Leonardo Fabian Grodek wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > Looking for information on autopilots I've found this:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.cloudcaptech.com/piccolo_II.shtm#software
> > > > In the list of downloadable software you can see Flightgear
> > > > listed, with credits.
> > > > I've also found this:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > http://www.cloudcaptech.com/download/Piccolo/Piccolo%20Documentation/Version%202.1.1%20Docs/Software/Piccolo%20Simulator.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Those more active than me in FG development (almost everybody
> > > > but me indeed...) could feel proud of their work by seeing FG
> > > > recommended by industry leaders.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I got to see a Cloudcap Piccolo flying on big UAV earlier this
> > > fall (16' wing span, 150 lbs beast of an airplane).  This was an
> > > older piccolo.  I hear v2 is even better.  Good stuff!  (of
> > > course the uav stuff I'm working will be much better once it is
> > > finished.) :-)
> > >
> > > Curt.
> >
> > ..aye.  One problem, they provide FG binaries, but no source???
> > http://www.cloudcaptech.com/download/Piccolo/FlightGear/
> >
> > --
> 
> 
> Well, under Piccolo Systems --> Downloads --> Piccolo Setup and User
> Guides, there's a link to this Piccolo Simulator document:
> http://www.cloudcaptech.com/download/Piccolo/Piccolo%20Documentation/Version%202.1.1%20Docs/Software/Piccolo%20Simulator.pdf
> 
> In the Introduction of this document they mention the "open source
> Flightgear simulator". Then, on page 40 they explain how to install
> Flightgear, and on page 42 they finally "discover" one of Flightgear's
> how-to pages. From here the user could get to all Flightgear
> information and sources.
> 
> I agree they could have mentioned Flightgear's link for the sources
> in a more otstanding way; nevertheless, it seems they are not trying
> to hide the "openeness" of the simulator; they may have overseen
> something in the GPL rules, and by presenting to them this issue they
> would include a link to the Download Source Code page.

..actually, it is _they_ (cloudcaptech.com) who needs to provide 
the sources for their FG-0.9.8, FG-0.9.9 and FG-0.9.10 binaries, 
for as long as they are publishing these obsolete binaries, and 
for 3 full years after they yank them down, check Stefan's and 
Heiko's responses.

..in their shoes, to comply, I would yank the obsolete binaries, 
drop the tarballed sources for each of these obsolete FG versions 
in where each of their respective binaries used to be, and ask 
each FG developer author for permission under GPLv2, to publish 
their work to honor my obligations for the next 3 years under 
the GPL.

..for FG etc GPL binaries, the easiest way is simply point 
directly to FlightGear.org like Big Blue IBM does. ;o)

> Fabian


-- 
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...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
  Scenarios always come in sets of three: 
  best case, worst case, and just in case.

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