On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 20:55 +0100, HB-GRAL wrote: > Geoff McLane schrieb: > > But his good work _IS_ being used, extensively - > > 1 left TOC > > 2 CSS design > > 3 XHTML 1.0 > > > > I have added a little more today... > > http://geoffair.net/fg/site > > including a bottom TOC - presently not quite the > > same as the left, but it will be... > > Geoff, > I am actually not pointing to the work you did. And I am not pointing to > your design elements. > > > > > There does not seem any need to go totally Googly > > when all that Pete has done can be done to the > > current site, in an incremental page-by-page way... > > > > No. > > Once we have to finish this contradictory page-by-page way. It is not a > problem of Googly or not. What Pete bring to us can run on every server > - also without the Google API. > > The proposal from Pete includes a real change. His solution is a > state-of-the-art Open Source Website and not a proprietary hand-driven > Web-link-page with own standards. Pete makes use of code and standards > which are open in any direction and which invites other developers to > work on this project. He made a clever bridge to all the stuff around. > And of course - his page can be maintained by every Webmaster. > > What he has done is that kind of simple and modern solutions which runs > on every platform and with every front-end (and can -BTW- also integrate > every hand-driven out-of-googly-style-html-page you want). Maybe he used > the Google API to show a new track but I think he did not want to > discuss about Google-Or-Not-To-Google. > > So what is the real reason that we are not using such professional > contribution at all? Why are we going one step forward and then 10 miles > backwards? > > - Yves >
I do not want to continue to labor the point on this, but one last try ;=)) As Pete asked back on Feb 13 - Who is the "active" developer... and he got an answer of sorts - maybe the name which can be read at the bottom of the main site page ;=)) You could also do a WHOIS search on the domain 'flightgear.org'... As far as I know, the English site is _NOT_ open to other maintainers, web-masters - full stop! And that includes the 'www' repository... But by the same token the site maintainer does read and watch for site suggestions, fixes, changes, etc... and acts upon them as time permits... as seen with the Wiki link fix in progress... So our _ONLY_ path is to make such suggestions, as Pete has done on the Google app/Django engine, and as I, using MS VWD, and others have done, and are continuing to do... as you know several of us have our own sites, or sub-sites _DEDICATED_ to FG... And we have the French, Portuguese, Japanese, Russian, (Spanish seems missing now?) sites - each of these are run using the 'technology' liked, preferred by the respective owners... php/wiki/CMS/whatever, be it by 'hand' or with a shovel ;=)) So what exactly are you asking? If you want to take over the main English site, or at least open it to other web-masters, then you can continue to press for that, but good luck! I will back the OWNER ;=)) Pete's example copied some pages from the current site, and it got some brief rave reviews, but it is VERY incomplete, so we do not know what he intends for the rest of the site pages... the rest of the links... my last count, of the www repo was over 200 pages, and it too seems missing some later updates (at least of about a week ago)... And he left out the Google ads. How is he going to fit these necessary evils into the site? Positioning and quantity? Ideas on doing this and maintaining his current very clean look, which I like, while keeping the ads prominent enough to be of some use, would be very, very welcome... He added some new things, which is great, like the mp server status, but assume this depends on the python to get information, so this may not be portable, but would certainly like to incorporate this in my example also, if possible... How to do it is the question? So I would encourage you, Pete and others, through collaboration with others, if desired, and/or through cvs/git usage, to continue in this very worthy endeavor... and I would certainly contribute, if given commit rights... Even if nothing is taken from it, it provides another flightgear information center... which is beneficial... but some ideas have been taken from it already, at least in my examples... Now whether using the Google advertising revenue toys is more 'professional' than what - a 'proprietary hand-driven Web-link-page with own standards' - is a mute point. Both produce 'web-link-pages' ;=)) Yes, Pete, we _ARE_ replicating work, but the more 'examples' the better it seems to me... We _DO_ want to encourage Curt to lift the site out of the 'so last century' as your nephew put it, but we should do that by encouragement, plentiful examples, good ideas, etc ;=)) So again, we should consider who OWNS the site, and fully RESPECT what he might want, and not INSIST on what we want to see... but at the same time freely offer what we would like to see... Just an opinion. Regards, Geoff. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev _______________________________________________ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
