Hi Chris,
A lot of people are trying to do things ... we've had boatloads of fake
facebook pages shut down, we have gotten some of the affiliates to remove
some of their most offensive lies. But for every page we get closed down,
10 more pop up. It's difficult to battle an opponent who thinks they can do
anything and say anything with zero accountability. Why do they have zero
accountability? Because they operate with fake accounts, fake names, fake
addresses and they have tons of these setup and can make up more any time.
Lately they've been running a video on the proflightsim site that is clearly
not flightgear. Their excuse was that an affiliate sent them it to them,
and they would look into it. It was still up on their page last I checked.
We can tell them that they aren't tolerated and that we'll out them ... they
don't care.
A lot of people are spending time on this including myself. I've been in
contact with clickbank (the affiliate/money mechanism for proflightsim
sales). I've even been in direct contact with proflightsim.
If you are a person who spent money of proflightsim-scam, just google
through the flightgear forum and wiki and several other mainstream flight
sim sites and you'll find plenty of information that is truthful and honest
about this whole thing.
If you don't think we are doing enough, the please, what are your ideas. If
you don't think we are doing enough, then please pitch in and help. But
please, let's keep our response ethical and our words honest. One thing we
have seen is that every time we do get a page shutdown or hit them where it
hurts, they come back in retaliatory form like it's all out war. They can
hurt us too if we go down the path of all out war ... that's not what I want
to do.
If you hear of someone getting ripped off, or you yourself got ripped off
... please contact click bank ... they aren't exactly bastions of innocence
but they have to keep up a good front and if enough complaints come in it
forces them to respond. Likewise, proflightsim is about as slimy as it
gets, good luck cashing in on your 100% rock solid money back guarantee if
you decide you want it. But people who have pressed them hard enough have
gotten through and gotten their money back.
And by all means, let's keep posting and talking about this issue. Every
email, every forum post, every blog or tweet or facebook comment adds to the
body of evidence available on the web. As this body of evidence grows and
spreads it becomes easier to find and someone who does a bit of legitimate
research ahead of purchasing should hopefully have a good chance at digging
up some valid information. For those that just whip out their credit card
and click buy without thinking or researching ... I do feel bad for them,
but maybe that's a lesson learned ... and it would be great if they turn
around and help the rest of the world by posting their experiences in a
variety of places. The more information we can get out there in more places
the better.
Curt.
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Chris Wilkinson
<blobster...@yahoo.com.au>wrote:
> Well let them read these emails, and have them serve as a warning - they
> and their ilk will not be tolerated, and they will be outed for the immoral
> scamming lowlifes that they are.
>
> I don't care if their enterprise is completely 100% legal (which in my
> interpretation of GPL v2 it is NOT). It is a scam, and targets and rips off
> those who know no better. I would like to posit that inaction in this matter
> could reflect badly on the flightgear project - after all if I purchased a
> blatant copy of a free software, but only realized after the fact, sure I'd
> be angry at the scammers but I'd also like to know whether or not the people
> behind the free software were trying to do something about it.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* George Patterson <george.patter...@gmail.com>
>
> *To:* FlightGear developers discussions <
> flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *Sent:* Thu, 13 January, 2011 8:48:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Flightgear-devel] pirates
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Michael Sgier <scrat_h...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Those crappy pirates are going on my nerves....Why not add some
> convoluted code to display:
> >
> > Flightgear.org fly free
> >
> > or alike at various in game stages? Should not be that complicated?
> >
>
> It would be better would be to release a new version and publicise the
> release.
>
> This means press release to Flight Simulator magazines, twit it, rave
> about it on facebook, create videos on youtube.
>
> Yes, i know we (collectively) have been doing that anyway, but this is
> more effective than relying on the slime balls deciding to upgrade to
> the latest version. let's do our bet to outmarket them. There is
> probably more of us than them.
>
> Note: they could be reading this and associated emails now.
>
> Regards
>
>
> George
>
>
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