All,
I'm sure that there's right and wrong on both sides of this discussion, and
I'm aware that some have some difficulty with the English language but could
we please continue it in a more decorous manner, and take the personal abuse
elsewhere.
The Devel list has a long tradition of avoiding personalizing discussion,
and I for one wiish it to remain so.
Vivian
-----Original Message-----
From: Pierre Mueller [mailto:pierre.muel...@ymail.com]
Sent: 12 February 2012 17:53
To: FlightGear developers discussions
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] The Douglas Dc 3 in GIT
>When the team of the PAF has decided to prohibit access to their work to
>me, they also requested the opportunity to put it on ILM.
They only banned you from the PAF-Forum.
Simply because you offended some users there just for having a different
opinion than you.
That can be read by everyone in the forum, without beeing registered. And
everyone can download their work, without beeing registered.
I have seen that you nearly always act like that, even on the official forum
and here on the mailing-list.
Lacking social skills I would say.
>When I finally got access to their improvements, through a person who
>has nothing to do with them but that dispatched the wiki link that I did
>not know, so I logically integrated all their work to my airplane. Thus
>it has always worked.
To YOUR aircraft? THEIR work? You started the work on the aircraft, but it
was the team who finally finished it.
So to make it clear: it's not alone your work, and not alone their work.
It is a work of ALL INVOLVED!
And they published the link in the official forum- you can't have missed
that.
>I always took the time to report the authors of the additions in my site
>because it seems normal for me. If the team of the PAF not appreciate
>the principle of respect of the original authors of the open source,
>they go to make aircraft for FS X or X Plane. In addition, it can make
money
Muaahahaha - ROFL!
1.) Who is the original author? You? Again: You just started a work; the
real work- making it flyable and usuable- was done by this group.
Without them it would have been another crappy aircraft made by you as the
other more than hundred (!) ones by you.
They are the original authors as well, like beside you! I would even say,
that have made the main work!
So there are multiple original authors- that's something you have to learn.
And you have to respect them as well. You didn't learn from the
AlouetteII-conflict last year, right?
2.) YOU want tell us about the principle respect of original authors?
I can still find the already mentioned copyright violations in your
aircraft! But see below.
>I'm tired of seeing all these kids puerile want to use the work of
>others, to obtain recognition as authors.
I have searched through the forums and mailing-list, and it still seems to
me that you did not really understand OpenSource.
>And back on the 5 or 6 files with licensing issues in my airplanes is
>ridiculous. As usual, Clement did not consider before speaking. Because
>most have been fixed.
5 or 6? I can remember more - still too much.
And much too much for someone who accuses others here for disrespecting
OpenSource.
>Since I started I've always done anything that try to bring something to
>FG and to please the greatest number. I'm not trying to please me
>personally. But this, it seems that the PAF can not understand.
Sorry, I have to doubt your words, "I'm not trying to please me
personally." is looking too suspicious to me!
And they do the same what you want to make us believe you do:
trying to bring something to FG; and "please to greatest number".
And it seems to me that they do with great success- as many more users are
tired of the many half finished, unusuable aircraft made by you.
>It's a shame. The team is talented, but seems guided by a kid with goals
>unrelated to FG and Open Source.
I don't see that, can you prove it?
I wonder how many discussions like that will follow- there seems to be a
coherence between your acting and understanding of teamwork and OpenSource
and such discussions- OSG-Particles, Bell UH1, AlouetteII, Velocity-XL, and
now the DC-3
Why I don't see such discussions on Gijs, Martins, Syds and others work?
Why?
Pierre Mueller
Switzerland
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