On Thu, 28 Feb 2013, BARANGER Emmanuel wrote: > Geneb wrote: > >> As far as I know, they're still distributing it. Games typically don't >> get an official "EOL" like other products do. >> They do still support it through their website although further >> development ceased when they closed the ACES studio and sold the ESP >> assets to Lockheed-Martin.
> No ! ESP is just an SDK by M$ And the work of Lockheed Martin is absolutly > separate of FS X. FS X and Prepar3D are totaly different. Lockheed Martin > also promises no compatibility with various X Addons FS. And ESP is free. > Lockheed Martin did not buy anything. > ESP is _not_ just an SDK. It's the core of both FSX and Prepar3D. It's a simulation environment builder. Version 1.0 of Prepar3D is, with the exception of GUI changes, IDENTICAL to FSX. FSX was built USING ESP v1.0. ESP WAS a commercial product offering. Only the SDK side (called SimConnect) is "free". Note that ESP v1.0 still shows up on my MSDN subscription. It's a four DVD set. Lockheed isn't guaranteeing compatibility because they do not want to be limited in what changes can be made to the core system. Their attitude is that if it works, great! If not, can't help ya, sorry. Lockheed DID buy ESP from Microsoft, regardless of whether or not you believe it. This sale was also a contributing factor to the ACES Studio (the group within MS that was responsible for FSX) being disbanded. Many of them are now working for Lockheed. There were also a number of companies building commercial simulation products (not entertainment products) around ESP that were understandably furious when they were cut off from ESP without warning when the assets were sold to Lockheed. I know of at least one company that was seriously considering legal action before deciding to just walk away from the market. (and no, I'm not going to name the company.) > http://msdn.microsoft.com/fr-fr/library/ff798293.aspx > Congrats, you found SDK docs. Woo. > >> Yes, by Microsoft. > No by Lockheed Martin. FS X is still available magazin because there are > still boxes. This is normal, many user are left on FS FS 9 and refused FS X. > Wow. Do you just wander around pulling random "facts" out of thin air whenever you think it'll make you look good? The boxed copies of FSX that are being sold by Amazon retailers are NOT coming from Lockheed, they're coming from Microsoft. Yes, it may be existing stock, but it sure as hell ain't coming from Lockheed. > It should be noted also that Prepar3D fixes many problems of FS X. Like what > it was possible :) That's because the group working on Prepar3D doesn't have any mouth-breathing MBA types incessantly screwing with them. Also understand that P3D is a _training_ product, while FSX is an _entertainment_ product. They even state in the EULA (pfft!) that P3D is NOT to be used for "entertainment purposes". (I'll say that this may have changed - I haven't messed around with P3D for a couple of years). That's why until recently a copy would cost you $499. Within the past year or so they've come out with an "Academic" license for $49. The only difference is that it watermarks the video with the P3D logo. If you want to experiement with P3D, you can buy a developer license for $10 a month. Wow. I just checked the website and they've totally redone it. It's no longer $499 for a "normal" copy, they've dropped it to $199. Myself and the people I hang out with are VERY serious sim geeks. We do crazy crap like scratch build 737 flight decks and rebuild wrecked jets for giggles. Anything that can affect how we do what we do is of EXTREME interest. That's why I've got a pretty good handle on what went on with Lockheed and ESP. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb _______________________________________________ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
