On Saturday 30 December 2006 10:58, R Groszewski wrote:
snip
> But if you buy the 
> new USB flight Yoke and rudder pedals, you're probably going to spend
> between $150 and $300.  (CH Products has what looks like to me a superb
> fight yoke for $149 and, I THINK, rudder pedals.)  

CH Products makes three models of joysticks that have retail prices from $89 
to $149 but have significantly lower street prices which can be as much as 
30% below retail.  They also make a yoke that I hear is well regarded that I 
have not used.  But I don't think the yoke setup is the way to go with a 
helicopter sim.   I have the mid priced stick and like it very much.  Along 
with the CH Pro pedals I was flying the bo105 with out crashing too much in 
about a half hour.  The pedals are a must for this.  

I have an older CH game port stick that was still working nicely when I took 
it out of service when I purchased the new USB stick about a year ago.  My 
new machine did not have a game port and I wanted more buttons so I figured 
that I might as well retire the old stick.  This had been used for many years 
(since the early 1990s) without any problems.  These are well made and hold 
up well.

They also make a set of rudder pedals that I have and I am over all very 
pleased with these.  These retail for $149 but street prices are much lower 
and if you shop around you will likely find these for a little over $100.

They also make a number of throttle setups.  For single engine use there is 
the Pro Throttle USB ($149 list).  If you want a separate throttle/collective 
for a heli sim this is the best way to go if you can afford it.  I currently 
don't have a separate throttle (I use the z axis control on my stick) and I 
am considering getting one of these.  For multi-engine setup there are the CH 
throttle Quadrant Twine Engine and Multi-engine devices ($199 list).  Again 
street prices are significantly lower.

Also there is no reason that you should not be able to use a set of these 
pedals with your existing controller but IMHO to really get the most out of 
FG you need a good stick (or yoke depending on what you like to fly), a set 
of good pedals and a large display.

Also looking on ebay there are a number of ch product auctions.  Some are for 
used equipment and others are for new equipment.  The prices on the new stuff 
was higher than you can get the same CH device for from other vendors 
on-line.  But like I said these are well made and can stand a lot of abuse 
and you might get a very good deal on some working used equipment through 
ebay.  Also keep in mind that you can get game port to usb converters that 
are not expensive and this might allow you to get a really good deal on a set 
of game port pedals or other controllers.  My understanding is that with FG 
you can mix game port and usb devices.

> I don't have that kind 
> of money to spend on something like that as much as I would like to.  I
> dunno about you, But I'd look around online for a while and see what you
> can find.  Although you shouldn't really look on EBAY because I once bought
> a collection of books from someone and they said the condition was "Great",
> but when they arrived, some of the pages were bent, they had coffee stains
> on them.  Other EBAY items were not in the best condition, either.  Be
> careful what you buy on EBAY, especially electronics.  You may be getting a
> pile of wires or a what appears to be an item that looks great, but doesn't
> even function.
>
> R Groszewski
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Søren
> Christensen
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:15 AM
> To: FlightGear user discussions
> Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Flying Eurocopter bo105 -- how to
> controlcollective?
>
> On Saturday 30 December 2006 04:57, Greg Olah wrote:
> > Søren Christensen wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm pretty new to flightgear.
> > >
> > > I would like to fly the Eurocopter bo105, but I don't know how to
>
> control
>
> > > the collective / the elevation of the main rotor.
> > >
> > > I haven't found instructions on flying helicopter, does anyone have a
> > > link?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > /severino
> >
> > I can tell you from experience in real helicopters and FlightGear...the
> > best way to fly simulator helicopters is with a joystick, and rudder
> > pedals.  Anti-torque (rudder) pedals are pretty much a _MUST_ in a hover
> > or low-velocity forward flight in FlightGear (as in real helicopters).
> > When you lift the collective, you NEED some way to counteract the main
> > rotor system's torque.  Usually, once you get the bird through what's
> > called translational lift, you'll require less anti-torque pedal.  I
> > should mention, this is true for the common single rotor system -
> > anti-torque isn't an issue in multi-main rotor systems like tandem or
> > coaxial.
> >
> > I've tried to hover in Flightgear and MSFS without the anti-torque
> > pedals and it is way too unstable (like a heli).  BTW, setting
> > auto-coordination ON won't help.  You require A LOT of pedal to
> > compensate for the high torque output in a hover - so much more than in
> > forward flight, that you'll still see torque effect with the
> > auto-coordination ON.
> >
> > Hope this helps a little :-)
>
> Not a litte -- a great deal actually.
>
> Yes, hovering is difficult. I have a Logitech gamepad and then numeric
> keypad,
> but pressing "0" and "Enter" isn't very accurate.
>
> Do you (or any one else) have a link or name for a good joystick with
> rudder-pedals. I've seen lots of joysticks, but haven't yet found joystick
> with rudder-pedals.
>
> Best regards and happy new year
> /severino

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