I don't know how useful this information is, but... I learned this afternoon 
that the jQuery web site is going to move from a MediaWiki based site to Word 
Press. The jQuery team claims the primary reason is to manage comment spam 
while allowing for a greater level of community involvement in their 
documentation. Apparently they felt that the moderation tools in WordPress 
provided them what they need. 

- Eli 

On Nov 17, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Jonathan Hung wrote:

> I think what we choose will depend largely on what we want to accomplish.
> 
> If we're looking to build custom features, deliver a lot of content, and 
> desire a lot of control over the presentation, then Drupal may be a good 
> choice.  (If we're ambitious and have the resources, Drupal would be an 
> excellent choice to bring together the Wiki, and Jira into a cohesive 
> location.)
> 
> If we're looking for collaboration, then MediaWiki may be a good route?
> 
> But if we're wanting something simple to get the message across, then a 
> slightly modified Wordpress is effective.
> 
> 
> But my question is: What are we trying to accomplish through the website? The 
> answer may help us decide what we do next.
> 
> - Jonathan.
> 
> ---
> Jonathan Hung / [email protected]
> Fluid Project - ATRC at University of Toronto
> Tel: (416) 946-3002
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Jacob Farber <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> Is there a reason we're only thinking in terms of CMSMS or not CMSMS? What 
> about other, more powerful cms's?
> Jacob
> 
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Laurel A. Williams 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> For some time now, we've been discussing moving the website out of CMSMS. I'd 
> like to start a discussion of the pros and cons of doing this and also talk 
> about some techniques we could use for accomplishing the task if we decide to 
> do it. Here is the jira task: http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-3355
> 
> Advantages that CMSMS gives us:
> 1) The ability to allow various community members to post to the website with 
> specific roles such as editor, administrator, and designer. We do not take 
> advantage of this ability right now. The only people who edit the website all 
> have admin access and there are very few accounts.
> 2) CMSMS allows us to use fixed templates for the header, footer and other 
> common code blocks so we don't have to edit and maintain common code blocks 
> on each page.
> 3) CMSMS provides some add ons, such as the news pages, breadcrumbs, menu 
> generation and rss feeds with very little work. It also provides a 
> maintenance mode for when we are doing upgrades (a site down message is 
> displayed.
> 
> Disadvantages:
> 1) Being constrained by CMSMS has made editing somewhat onerous for 
> experienced web app developers. The CSS is stored in the DB in one place, the 
> common code chunks in another, the content for individual pages in another 
> place. The interface for editing the pages is not very user friendly for 
> people who are used to tweaking html in text editors or using their favourite 
> html editing environment.
> 2) CMSMS continues to evolve and updates are tricky. There is always a danger 
> of breaking the site when we upgrade and not upgrading puts the website at 
> risk for security flaws.
> 3) Having the website in CMSMS does not allow us to version the site or 
> revert changes easily.
> 
> So, if we are merely using CMSMS because of advantages 2 and 3, we should 
> think about alternative techniques.
> 
> Some thoughts:
> a) We are a javascript focused project - maybe we should use javascript to 
> tackle these problems. This could have the advantage of allowing us to 
> showcase the Fluid framework on our own website. Colin suggested using 
> something like Kettle to manage various includes. Jess also suggested I 
> develop a 'menu component'.
> b) I've been doing a lot of PHP lately for the builder. PHP is another 
> option. I think its main advantage is that it would be quick to swap over the 
> current CMSMS site to PHP.
> 
> I am sure the community has lots of ideas to contribute on this subject, so 
> looking forward to your thoughts.
> 
> Laurel
> 
> 
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Eli Cochran
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ETS, UC Berkeley


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