Hi everyone, Given that: - the scrubber control is still keyboard focusable (albiet in not an obvious way) - there are other alternatives to navigating the timeline - the fix for enabling standard tab-focusing of the scrubber is non-trivial
So I think for now, FLUID-4902 will not be a Blocker for the Video Player. It will be marked as a critical and be considered for fixing at a later time. Please feel free to share any more thoughts / comments. Thanks! - Jon. On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Johnny Taylor <[email protected]>wrote: > Justin, > > I see. I get why it's that way, but I'm with you, I think the other way > around would be more productive. Interesting. I didn't know that. Thank > you. > > Johnny > > [email protected] > http://abledaccess.com > http://abledaccess.com/twitter > > ... And the solution is inclusion > > > > > > > > > On 2013-01-21, at 12:19 PM, Justin Obara <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks for weighing in Johnny. > > So the gist of this is that it's a bit of an annoying implementation > detail by Apple. Basically "tab" by default is used for navigating > everything but links; where as "option+tab" includes all keyboard focusable > elements. You can swap these in the preferences. I think the idea with this > is to make navigating faster. Although, personally, I would have preferred > the opposite to be the default. > > This forum thread basically covers it. > http://hintsforums.macworld.com/showthread.php?t=33603 > > All that being said, I don't really think there is anything we could do > about it. At least not in this time frame. The solution I can think of > would be to change the scubber to not be a link but just some element with > a tabindex added. However, this appears to be a jQuery UI element so we > don't have control over the markup. If I'm mistaken about this, please > correct me. > > Thanks > Justin > > On 2013-01-21, at 10:26 AM, Johnny Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jon and Justin, > > That Option > Tab trick isn't anything that would have remotely occurred > to me. I'm surprised to hear it was even a thing. Huh. > > Johnny > > On 2013-01-21, at 9:33 AM, Jonathan Hung <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Justin, > > The concern I have is that unless the scrub bar is focusable in the > standard way, a user may not even know it's focusable. Do most users even > try "Option-Tab" in their daily usage? > > If the user doesn't think the scrub bar is focusable, it won't be clear to > them how to fast-forward or rewind the video. The alternatives are > navigating the Transcripts, or by focusing the outer video player container > and pressing left / right arrow. Neither method I think is obvious. > > Do we consider this a blocker if: > - the user doesn't think the scrubber bar is focusable? > - the alternatives may not be obvious? > > Thoughts? > > - Jon. > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Justin Obara <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hi Jon, >> >> Thanks for testing and filing these jiras. >> >> For FLUID-4902 you can reach the scub bar by using option-tab. I'm not >> entirely sure why, but for some elements in safari you have to use this >> combination to reach them. I left a comment on the jira. I think this >> probably can just be closed now, but I'll let you decide. >> >> Thanks >> Justin >> >> On 2013-01-18, at 11:12 AM, Jonathan Hung <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone. >> >> I have been doing some rigorous manual testing of the Video Player and >> have come across a few issues. Thankfully majority of the issues are not >> major interaction concerns, but there are three in particular I would >> consider Blockers: >> >> NEW BLOCKERS: >> >> FLUID-4889: Transcripts do not appear (Mac) or disappear (Windows) in >> Fullscreen Firefox Video >> Player<http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4889> >> FLUID-4901: In IE8 mute and unmute using keyboard pushes focus onto >> Transcripts button. <http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4901> >> FLUID-4902: Can not tab focus scrub bar in >> Safari<http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4902> >> >> OTHER NEW ISSUES: >> >> FLUID-4900: In IE8, video player container not receiving >> focus<http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4900> >> FLUID-4899: Volume tool tip moves when slider is in use >> IE8<http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4899> >> FLUID-4897: Pressing pause causes scrubber to jump backward in >> time<http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4897> >> FLUID-4896: Focus jumps to previously focused text if mouse click is on >> white space in the >> transcript<http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4896> >> FLUID-4895: In Firefox volume button has improper focus style when >> mute/unmute is clicked <http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4895> >> FLUID-4894: Transcript menu clipped at edge of screen using >> keyboard<http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4894> >> FLUID-4892: Language drop-down selector does not open using >> keyboard<http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4892> >> FLUID-4891: Transcript scrolls slowly when time is >> scrubbed<http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4891> >> FLUID-4888: Native controls appear behind custom controls when enabling >> Captions (Chrome, Safari)<http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-4888> >> >> UNFILED ISSUE: >> There is another issue where keyboard scrubbing in Firefox causes loss of >> focus. However I have not been able to reproduce this consistently and >> therefore has not been filed. >> >> I have added the 3 proposed blockers to the development planning wiki >> page: >> >> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/FLOE+Video+Player+Development+Planning >> >> Testing is not exhaustive so it shouldn't be assumed that there are not >> any other bugs to be found. >> >> Feel free to comment or give feedback. >> >> - Jon. >> >> -- >> >> *JONATHAN HUNG* >> INCLUSIVE DESIGNER, IDRC**** >> ** ** >> *T:* 416 977 6000 x3951**** >> *F:* 416 977 9844**** >> *E:* [email protected]**** >> ** ** >> *OCAD UNIVERSITY***** >> Inclusive Design Research Centre**** >> 205 Richmond Street W, Toronto, ON, M5V 1V3**** >> ** ** >> www.ocadu.ca**** >> www.idrc.ocad.ca >> _______________________________________________________ >> fluid-work mailing list - [email protected] >> To unsubscribe, change settings or access archives, >> see http://lists.idrc.ocad.ca/mailman/listinfo/fluid-work >> >> >> > > > -- > > *JONATHAN HUNG* > INCLUSIVE DESIGNER, IDRC**** > ** ** > *T:* 416 977 6000 x3951**** > *F:* 416 977 9844**** > *E:* [email protected]**** > ** ** > *OCAD UNIVERSITY***** > Inclusive Design Research Centre**** > 205 Richmond Street W, Toronto, ON, M5V 1V3**** > ** ** > www.ocadu.ca**** > www.idrc.ocad.ca > _______________________________________________________ > fluid-work mailing list - [email protected] > To unsubscribe, change settings or access archives, > see http://lists.idrc.ocad.ca/mailman/listinfo/fluid-work > > > > -- *JONATHAN HUNG* INCLUSIVE DESIGNER, IDRC**** ** ** *T:* 416 977 6000 x3951**** *F:* 416 977 9844**** *E:* [email protected]**** ** ** *OCAD UNIVERSITY***** Inclusive Design Research Centre**** 205 Richmond Street W, Toronto, ON, M5V 1V3**** ** ** www.ocadu.ca**** www.idrc.ocad.ca
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