It's been a couple of weeks since I sent out my proposals regarding FSS. I 
haven't heard any negative responses, which I'll take as confirmation to go 
forward. 

In Summary:

http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-5469
We'll remove FSS from the repository. We'll add the latest version of 
Foundation, as the CSS framework of choice for demos and examples. All 
components will remain framework independent. However, we will use 
normalize.css to provide a common starting point for styling. Normalize.css can 
be used in all locations, components, demos, examples, and etc.  

http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-5482
For contrast themes, and anywhere else that it makes sense, we will start using 
the Stylus css-preprocessor. This will allow us to generate the themes and 
other complex css files much easier. 

Thanks
Justin


On Jul 14, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Jonathan Hung <jh...@ocadu.ca> wrote:

> Hi Justin,
> 
> I have used all three pre-processors and all three of these would do what we 
> want in terms of simplifying the building of themes. If for technical reasons 
> Stylus is better for our workflow, then I would +1 that.
> 
> I have used Stylus and it was a good experience - even better when you add on 
> Nib (https://visionmedia.github.io/nib/).
> 
> - Jon.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Justin Obara <obara.jus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As a follow up, I started looking more into CSS pre-processors. Beth, one of 
> our community members, past this along to me a while back. 
> https://speakerdeck.com/bermonpainter/css-pre-processors-stylus-less-and-sass 
> It provides a fairly concise comparison between Less, Sass, and Stylus. 
> 
> As mentioned before, we'd probably mostly want to use these for generating 
> the contrast themes used by the preferences framework, and any other styles 
> than require !important injections.
> 
> https://github.com/fluid-project/infusion/tree/master/src/framework/preferences/css/fss
> 
> We may also find use cases within our component styling. In particular I 
> could see this being useful for generating the style sheets needed for the 
> icon-fonts.
> 
> At this point, I'm leaning towards Stylus. It offers most if not all of the 
> same features as Sass while also being JavaScript based. The benefit of 
> running in JavaScript is that we are already familiar and setup to use it. 
> There is also a grunt plugin available that doesn't require any external 
> dependencies. On the downside, the syntax permits omitting punctuation, but 
> this seems optional.
> 
> Let me know what you think. 
> 
> Thanks
> Justin
> 
> 
> On Jul 11, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Justin Obara <obara.jus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> The Fluid Skinning System was deprecated in Infusion 1.5 and slated for 
>> removal from Infusion 2.0. http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLUID-5469
>> 
>> We found that for the most part the components weren't using FSS. The plan 
>> is to use Foundation for demos and the like, but to keep the actual 
>> components free from a dependence on any given framework. However, FSS also 
>> provided a few extra handy features namely a css reset and base file, both 
>> adapted from YUI. Foundation relies on Normalize.css, which seems to be the 
>> popular choice for reducing browser inconsistencies.
>> 
>> Another issue is the set of themes that we have. These are really only used 
>> for the preferences framework and UI Options for the contrast themes. 
>> However, we already have copies of these in the preference framework. 
>> Ideally we'd replace all of these with a CSS preprocessor to construct the 
>> themes and make it easier for a user to generate their own.
>> 
>> Proposals:
>> 
>> 1) I propose that we make use of Normalize.css in our components as well as 
>> demos and etc. 
>> 
>> 2) I propose that we remove the themes from within the fss directory and 
>> just keep the ones that are in the preferences framework. Later we should 
>> re-implement the themes using a CSS preprocessor.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Justin
> 
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