Hi all, In trying to make a few comments today I have come across a problem that I'm often struck by which is how to maintain a balance between using e-mail to quickly respond to what someone has said and thus continue a debate and using e-mail to send an essay complete with references as a response to continue a debate. I have to say I admire the way Ken can write such huge mails and then tack a bibliography on the end but I don't have the time required to write so much and yet I often want to respond with maybe the odd reference or at least more than I do but since I'm writing at work I don't have the books to hand and so never can. I hope it's enough that I try and describe what I mean. When I talk about Satie's approach you really need to see a visual example. The following book is a wonderful introduction: A Mammal's Notebook : Collected Writings of Erik Satie (Atlas Arkhive , No 5) by Erik Satie, Ornella Volta (Editor), Anthony Melville (Translator) Paperback (November 1997) Serpents Tail; ISBN: 0947757929 I have just provided the details so you can buy/search on any of the online stores you choose. It is not out of print and amazon has it new for about $20. It's well-illustrated and I think it's something that anyone with an interest in Fluxus would enjoy. Satie really is a very interesting figure and when you consider the time at which he was creating, really revolutionary...no wonder he was always broke. cheers, Sol.

