C'mon, guys. There is a list here, and by definition, the owners and subscribers of this list constitute a community of some kind. The exact nature of that community is arguably vague, but it's sophistry to suggest that the listowners ought to start a private mailing-list. The listowners started THIS list and the folks who claim they don't like the list nevertheless got here when came along and subscribed. The is open to those who wish to take part. No one has been required to join this list. No one is required to remain a subscriber. To suggest that the listowners take Fluxlist somewhere else is ridiculous: there is only one Internet. The list is public in the sense that anyone is free to join or leave. The list is ALREADY private in that anyone who wishes to join does so understanding how it works and agrees by subscribing to accept the standards set forth in the welcome statement. Whether or not this list is a travesty of some kind is a matter of opinion. As Davidson noted, there is no real basis for an etrial -- and there is no question of it. Owen intended to make a point supporting Sol. Just as there is no need for an etrial, there are no questions of procedure. Sol invoked an accepted procedure. It was established when the list was refounded. Here's a suggestion for those who think this list is a travesty: Go start a list of your own. I promise not to bother you. -- Ken Friedman --
