Listen kid,

I'm here in NYC and nobody is more weary of the flag waving and sabre
rattling than me.  And what's more wearisome still is using this situation
to propagate anti-Israeli sentiment among the under educated and
ill-informed.  Speaking of which, I'm very curious as to the sources of your
FACTs.  There are many ways to spin a  piece of info, friend, (but clearly
you already have this talent).

To refer to Israel's policies (of which you seem to know very little) as
"ethnic cleansing," "state terrorism," and "apartheid" (for god's sake!) is
reactionary and rabble rousing in the extreme.

Have you spent any time in the Middle East?  Do you know anyone who actually
lives and works there? After the statements made below, I kinda doubt it.

It's foolish to deny the amount of blood on our hands, and as someone who's
always felt disenfranchised by this country, I have no illusions about U.S.
policy.  However, this eager (but alas, predictable) surge to beat on Israel
is a real drag and only serves to perpetuate prejudices in already moronic
people.

Also, for god's sake, if you're going to post these idiotic screeds, learn
to write a coherent English sentence and use your spell check program.  Your
writing is not only a poor reflection of whatever school system produced you
but in more sensitive circles would be  considered a form of terrorism in
and of itself.

KissKiss

BadgerGirl

p.s.  Aren't you the little fucker who was giving John Bennett such a hard
time?  Just curious.

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>From: jason pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: FLUXLIST: fluxism as anti state terrorism
>Date: Mon, Sep 17, 2001, 11:51 PM
>

> the situation of "terrorism" is much more complicated than the view presented
> in U.S. and Isreali state policy. Any view of "terrorism" has to include the
> situations that feul it. One view of the socalled 'terrorist" is that it's a
last
> ditch means of resistance for a humiliated and oppressed people. Fact: prior
> to the gulf war Hussein was comitting his worst atrocities against the Iraqi
> people (for ex. the gassing of the kurds) largely with U.S. support....at the
> time he was the U.S's "kind of guy". since the gulf war the U.S.  has stead-
> fastly refused to give ant sort of assistance to any any anti Hussein
elements.
> while at the same time enforcing policies like economic sanction that only
> commit itense harm against the iraqi people which only reinforces Husseins
> power over the region. FACT: the U.S. fully supports Isreal in their policies
> of state terrorism, ethnic cleansing, aparthied etc. even to the extent where
> the leaders of the palestinian resistance are gun downed with sophisticated
U.S
> helicopters and other weapons. FACT: the islamic jihad and HAMAS in
> palestine was created
> by the isreali government to discredit the secular palestinian authority.
> which fortunately backfired as it's forced Isreal to negotiate with the
palestinian
> authority. Essentially meaning isreal wanted terrorism and subsequently got
> much more than they bargained for. FACT the majority of the countries in
> rhe region are U.S. client states (isreal egypt, saudi arabia, formerly
> iraq and iran)
> "client state" meaning subordinate to U.S interests. a situation where the
U.S.
> can control and exploit the engery rich resouces of that region. which hardly
> benefits the arab people...but that goes without saying. FACT U.S mid east
> policy much like the drug war in central and south america has done nothing
> but supply a not incosiderable amount of fuel for the fire in respect to
> islamic militants. the Taliban is the perfect example. without these policies
> islamic militants would be hard pressed to find any support among the arab
> population.
> meanig theses policies are pushing arab citizens away from demacratic elements
> that support diplomatic solutions and support self determination like the
>  palestinian authority and towards militant fundamentalist factions. very
>  simply the U.S. and Isreal wanted  "terrorism" and subsequently got it.
>  and now the government is using the WTC attacks to manipulate the american
>  population into supporting an escalation of the same policies that bred
terrorism
>  in the first place. The rhetoric is hardly even disguised as bush speaks
> of nothing
>  but "winning" as if it were a football game. That's exactly what it's
> becoming a situation
> where the U.S condems all "terrorist" acts EXCEPT IT"S OWN, simply only
> when it's convienant for them to do and they have been doing this for years.
>
> ~jason pierce
>
> some good links for accurate information
>
> http://www.merip.org/palestine-israel_primer/toc-pal-isr-primer.html
> http://www.zmag.org/

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