> >I did, in fact, look at your sources. Not exactly the most unbiased sources >of info on the middle east (yes, even Amnesty International!) in my opinion. >Noam Chomsky?! Oh the pain. But of course I always take as gospel whatever >Ted Koppel says... well for the sake of credibility why not humor us with some completely "unbiased" reporting? you completely missed the point on ted koppel as the U.S. media is decidedly pro zionist. one only need to look at the major op eds on the matter (ex. George Will) to see an almost verbatim rgurgitation of state policy. G. Will said something like "all of the principle enemies of Isreal are anti-semitic" and there's not even 1 contrasting view presented on the matter and for a major network newscaster to even ask a difficult question of say Ehud Barak about Isreali policy in the occupied territories is really RARE. common sense should tell us that at least there are many difficult questions on the matter. > >Look, I'm not going to argue with you. yet you are doing just that > I've been down this road before. Why >waste my time and the time of the Fluxlist folk? Arguing with people like >you is like trying to argue with a drunk, there's no point. just like there is no point in arguing with someone that doesn't present anything besides arbitrary "kneejerk" responses. i'm dying for you to present a credible statement. > Clearly the >Palestinians (who are technically Jordanian) whoa a zionist!!! now we are getting somewhere....on what do you base this claim?? the palestinians don't think they are jordinians. only zionist and the U.S. government thinks that, where as the rest of the world would disagree. one only needs look at the record of U.N. council voting to acknowledge that. so you think that the palestinian population should let zionist and the U.S. decide what they are? that's incredible! now we are getting somewhere! > stealing everyones lunch money. no just demolishing homes, killing protesters, testricting access to water, bombing Tunis with no credible pretext (did that happen or didn't it?), violating international law, etc. even the U.S. govt officials are starting to wince... which is saying alot!! > >Reading the accounts of people you haven't met is not really helpful. I've >known many people (both Israeli AND Arab) who live, work, and survive in >that difficult terrain. They would all find your opinions (and much of your >source material) dubious if not actually laughable. i'm very interested in this, who would those people be? can i talk to them? > >Here's a fact for you: Jews and Arabs are both Semitic peoples and see the >world somewhat differently then the West. really? you mean the isreali jews, mostly immigrants from europe, see the world differently than americans or europeans? that's interesting...how exactly do they see it that is so different? zionist policy seem near identical to american policy towards the native americans during the colonial days. anti westernization is a pretty standard propaganda tool, Japan in WWII used "anti westernization" to motivate a population to support an invasion of china!!! yet it's totally a "western" kind of thing to do that!!! so it's just rhetoric, basically. > Their values and methods of >communications are organized rather differently then those of Europe et al. >Perhaps the answer is to leave them to it and stop trying to inflict our >Western morals and values on two peoples who probably don't need the >aggravation. inflict?!?!? you mean the U.S. should stop sending huge subsidies and military aid to isreal (1/3 of U.S foriegn military aid goes to isreal)? i quite agree!!! that would be absolutely great. we could examine the distinct correlation between U.S. military "aid" and state violence by oppressive regimes, but i don't want to bring central and south america into it. we would be getting somewhere though.......... > >But the real solution, of course, is to air-condition and carpet the entire >region, then watch the tensions melt. i didn't say anything that even remotely resembles that, so you're sarcasm is quite confusing. i don't know who you are flailing at...so please clarify! ~json
