>...and we could find Allen's reliance on the elder's

>stamp of approval a bit puzzling. I've never really thought

>of any of us to be Fluxus artists - just Fluxus inspired >artists.



I think however that Allen was initially supported and encouraged by Dick and 
Ken in his Fluxus Midwest work, in the early days of Fluxlist.  Way back then 
he was much more active and perhaps 'inspired' by his contact with Ken and 
Dick. In turn Allen has been very supportive of certain artists, hosting sites 
and actively promotong awareness of them, I may be wrong, but I think that he 
has been 'hurt' by a subsequent lack of reciprocal support and in fact 
acknowledgement.

I don't feel that it's right to talk about Allen so much seeing as he's not 
here to reply, but:



I support what he has done, even though I don't agree with everything he has 
said.  I understand why he has done it and whether I feel he is right or wrong 
is neither here nor there.



An important factor that is often overlooked here is just how good a lot of 
Allen's stuff is.  He is a fine contemporary artist (imho) whether he knows it 
or not.  I don't think that we should let the usual and apparently unresolvable 
argument over the use of the 'F' word detract from that.



Just a thought...



This whole 'Fluxus' title thing is a fascinating argument which I'm sure will 
run and run.  I have changed my point of view quite radically over the past 10 
years as a result of trying to resolve it - and I'm still nowhere near an 
answer.

It's not so much the what but the why that is important.

Why are people drawn to using/defending/refuting this name.

Taking a broad and somewhat simplistic, I admit, view of 'Fluxus' - the art 
historians and documentary makers have used this name as an umbrella term for 
something, a group of individuals of vastly differing backgrounds producing 
vastly different sorts of work and with often totally different motives and 
standpoints, based on a title of something that was never published but which 
became a series of events over 40 years ago,and like the popular misuse of and 
recording of language which effectively changes that language, the popular 
misunderstanding, of reinforced by generic 'labelling' (books, catalogues, 
shows), has effectively produced a version of Fluxus as an entity which 
continues to exist, despite not actually existing!



pant, pant, pant.....



ooh I now have a headache, double vision and a sore typing finger!



alan


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