Revisiting my revisitation:
 
From Perloff's article it seems that Cage may not have used the "0% mesostic" or meso-acrostic himself. But the same article (same paragraph) does suggest that the term may still apply to meso-acrostic poems that do not conform to Cage's mesostic rules, since it may have been Norman Brown and not Cage who coined the term.
 
 "My first mesostic," Cage writes in the Foreword to M, "was written as prose to celebrate one of Edwin Denby's birthdays. The following ones, each letter of the name being on its own line, were written as poetry. A given letter capitalized does not occur between it and the preceding capitalized letter. I thought I was writing acrostics, but Norman O. Brown pointed out that they could properly be called 'mesostics' (row not down the edge but down the middle)" (M 1) (http://www.ubu.com/papers/perloff02.html).
 
The more I learn, the less I seem to know!
 
Rod, what do you think?
 
I understand a bit better now why you are reluctant to call meso-acrostics mesostics since it seems as though Cage started with the 50% form without first writing mesostics which did not also have at least one of the two letter-rules. Still, from what I've read in the last few days, it seems that the term mesostic could still be applied to meso-acrostics that do not fully conform to Cage's form.
 
I don't know. I still like the term mesostic for any acrostic-like poem that lines up through the centre spine, but can better understand now why you would not agree. Maybe something like:
 
1) mesostic (non-conforming)
2) simple mesostic
3) meso-acrostic
4) Brown Mesostic
5) non-Cage mesostic
6) basic mesostic
7) ? ...suggestions?


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .com] On Behalf Of Allan Revich
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Subject: FLUXLIST: mesostic/acrostic/exhaustic etc. - is there a mesoway?

I'd like to try to fill a 'gap' in the labelling schema.
 
From what I have been able to glean hither thither and yonder in netland Cage worked with three variations of the acrostic form during his life.
 
I'll begin with the two forms for which Cage and writers/artists/poets following his lead seem to be in total agreement:
 
1) The 100% Mesostic (on which Rod has very kindly been educating and coaching fluxlisters)
 
2) The 50% Mesostic (which was also unambiguously defined by JC, and on which Rod has also been helping us understand)
 
The final form is the one on which there seems (at least to me) to be some ambiguity and some room for interpretation.
 
This might be termed the proto-mesostic, early mesostic, quasi-mesostic or neo-mesostic, depending on where one places it conceptually or chronologically. In one article about Cage and acrostics/mesostics this form is the form from which Cage originally coined the term "mesostic". In this article Cage showed a colleague some "acrostic" poems that he had written in which the acrostic word/phrase was arranged vertically down a central spine rather than 'bookending' each line at the beginning or end (or both as in a double-acrostic). Cage termed these poems as 'mesostics', describing an acrostic form with the the phrase in the middle (hence 'meso'). He later went on to refine and redefine the form into the 50% and 100% mesostic.
 
So the issue is, what becomes of the "0% mesostic"? It is not an acrostic. It is not 50% mesostic, nor is it a 100% mesostic. I remain wont to call it a mesostic as that term seems well-suited to describe an acrostic poem with the phrase down the middle. In the article by Marjorie Perloff referenced below, Cage is quoted as saying that he thought that he was writing acrostics until he was corrected - interestingly his first acrostics were what he later called 50% mesostics - which continues to leave the name of the basic meso-acrostic in limbo.
 
Rather than continue with polemics, I'd rather engage in constructive dialogue. Is there a term that can be used and be broadly (i.e. not just among fluxlisters) applied to describe and include all meso-acrostic forms? Netland is rife with all three "mesostic" forms.
 
Allan
 
Reference Sites:
 
 
http://www.euph0r1a.net/ (website of Matthew McCabe, a Florida PhD student and composer/geek) he lists the following in his bibliography (http://www.euph0r1a.net/mesostomatic/biblio.html):
 

Cage, John. Sixty-two Mesostics re: Merce Cunningham (musical score)
    New York: Henmar Press, 1971.


John Cage Computer Programs [on-line]
    (Andrew Culver, author. Date of authorship unknown. Accessed November 16, 2003).
    Available at: http://anarchicharmony.org/People/Culver/CagePrograms.html


The Music of Verbal Space: John Cage's "What You Say" [on-line]
    (Marjorie Perloff, author. Date of authorship unknown. Accessed November 18, 2003).
    Available at: http://www.ubu.com/papers/perloff02.html


Perloff, Marjorie. Radical Artifice: Writing Poetry in the Age of Media
    Chicago : University of Chicago Press, 1991


Shultis, Christopher. Silencing the Sounded Self: John Cage and the American Experimental Tradition.
    Boston, MA: Northeastern University Press, 1998.


Weinberger, Eliot. American Poetry Since 1950: Innovators and Outsiders
    New Yorks: Marsilo Publishers, 1993.

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