Hi Stipica

I think that for a 7 parameter transformation 'bwscale' has to be used or else 
there aren't enough parameters.
The manual is a little confusing there and I'll ask to get it changed.

You seem to be well informed about these issues (more so than myself I think) 
but you may still find it useful to take a look at 
http://www.mentorsoftwareinc.com/CC/gistips/TIPS0898.HTM which explains the 
differences between Bursa-Wolf and the regular 7-parameter transformation.

Hope this is of use,

Regards,

Mark

Mark Ireland, Product Support Engineer
Safe Software Inc. Surrey, BC, CANADA
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: stipicapavicic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: March 18, 2005 2:14 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [fme] Re: Custom spatial reference system
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> I'll try to use latest build, probably it will help.
> But I have one more question regarding 7 parameter trensformation.
> 
> Bursa Wolf transformation is valid for rotation angles about 
> 2'' and less. My transformation parameters include rotation 
> of 11'', and 6'', how can I transform data with that 
> parameters (3 translation, 3 rotations and scale) if the 
> 7PARMETER does not include any scale parameters.
> 
> Why it is called 7PARMETER? It only treats 6 parameters (2 
> translations and 3 rotations).
> 
> Can you please explain me what to do.
> 
> Thnaks,
> 
> Stipica Pavicic
> 
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], "Mark Ireland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Stipica
> > I tried this with build 1636 and didn't have this problem at all. In
> fact I got a message stating...
> > 
> > Reproject: Using datum conversion type `SevenParmInv'
> > 
> > ...which seems to me to indicate the datum has been recognised
> properly.
> > 
> > My suggestions would be...
> > 
> > 1) I've attached the coordsysdef I created. Try this one.
> > 2) Upgrade your FME build to the latest beta and see if that helps.
> BTW What build are you using?
> > 
> > Besides this you don't need to put an entry into coordsys.db - FME
> should pick up everything in mycoordsysdefs automatically.
> > 
> > Hope this helps. I don't know why 7Param datums have a bwscale
> defined - but the help system is quite clear - this parameter 
> is 'used by BURSA only'.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > Mark Ireland, Product Support Engineer Safe Software Inc. 
> Surrey, BC, 
> > CANADA [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.safe.com Solutions for Spatial Data 
> > Translation, Distribution and Access
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: stipicapavicic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:20 AM
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: [fme] Custom spatial reference system
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi group,
> > > can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong.
> > > I wanted to defnine the new spatial reference system in FME.
> > > First I have defined geodetic datum in MyCoordSysDefs.fme file.
> > > 
> > > #---------------------------------------------
> -----------------------
> > > 
> > > # Hrvatski geodetski datum 1901
> > > DATUM_DEF HR1901          \
> > >   DESC_NM "Hrvatski datum 1901"                    \
> > >   SOURCE "State Geodetic Administration, Croatia"  \
> > >   ELLIPSOID BESSEL                                 \
> > >   USE 7PARAMETER                                   \
> > >   DELTA_X 551.73                                   \
> > >   DELTA_Y 162.86                                   \
> > >   DELTA_Z 467.93                                   \
> > >   BWSCALE -4.820429                                \
> > >   ROT_X -6.037326                                  \
> > >   ROT_Y -1.957325                                  \
> > >   ROT_Z 11.381551
> > > 
> > > In the same file (MyCoordSysDefs.fme) I've added a definition of 
> > > coordinate system #
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > > # Croatia GK zone 5
> > > 
> > > COORDINATE_SYSTEM_DEF HR_GK_5                             
>       \ 
> > >   DESC_NM  "Croatian GaussKruger Zone 5 - 15�"            \ 
> > >   SOURCE   "State Geodetic Administration, Croatia"       \ 
> > >   UNIT METER                                              \ 
> > >   DT_NAME HR1901                                          \ 
> > >   PROJ TM                                                 \ 
> > >   PARM1 15                                                \ 
> > >   ORG_LAT 0.0                                             \ 
> > >   SCL_RED 0.9999                                          \ 
> > >   MAP_SCL 1.0                                             \ 
> > >   X_OFF   5500000.0                                       \ 
> > >   Y_OFF   0 
> > > # ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > 
> > > In the coordsys.db I've added one line HR_GK_5|Croatia GK 
> Zone 5 - 
> > > 15�|EUROPE||HR1901|TM|METER
> > > 
> > > When I restart the FME and trie to convert data form LL84 to new 
> > > defined system (HR_GK_5) I got message in the Translation Log:
> > > "Unknown datum name 'HR1901' or ellipsoid name ''. No coordinate 
> > > system set."
> > > 
> > > I don't know what else to do. I have tried do make such 
> definition 
> > > in LocalCoordSysDefs.fme but I get the same result.
> > > 
> > > PS
> > > how the 7PARAMETER transformation treats BWSACLE. By 
> reading manual 
> > > it seems that BWSCLAE can be applied only to BURSA transformation 
> > > but in LocalCoordSysDefs.fme there are definition wich combines 
> > > these parameters (7PARAMETER and
> BWSCALE).
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > Stipica Pavicic
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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