Nice post.

How does one find out misconfgured Firewalls and NAT boxes using IPS?

Ravi

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Joel M Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Speaking to the roi, someone already observed that in at least one
>> environment it was concluded that patch management was addressing an
>> overlapping set of low hanging fruit and that therefore the ips was no
>> longer earning it's keep.
>
> As an interesting coincidence, I advised a client on that last night: they
> were being told that their managed firewall on a 20 person branch office was
> being jacked up from $100/month to $400/month because of the IPS, and I told
> them that if they put that money into better patch discipline, that it would
> be better spent.
>
> HOWEVER, I like to say in my lectures on IPS that focusing on the IPS as a
> way of preventing intrusion attacks tends to discount the huge value of the
> IPS. Personally, I have to agree with naysayers: sticking an IPS out near
> the firewall on a well managed network isn't going to catch much coming in.
>  But there are LOTS of other wonderful things that the IPS will help tell
> you about, including:
>        - internally infected systems
>        - misconfigured applications
>        - misconfigured firewalls
>        - misconfigured routing
>        - misconfigured NAT boxes (I see this A LOT)
>        - network usage
>        - data leaks
>        - inappropriate applications or unknown applications
>
> And I see those as valuable and part of the IPS "earning its keep."  The
> notion that a properly managed IDS at TJX would have saved them the
> embarrassment of their data breach is a fiction promoted only by people who
> don't understand what IPS/IDS does but do want to sell you something.
>
> I have some graphs which, in words, essentially say this:
>
> - chances someone will break into your network: about 1%
> - chances that an IPS would have caught it: about 20%
> (in other words: with a firewall and good patch discipline, it probably
> won't happen to you, and if it does, the IPS probably won't catch it)
> AND
> - chances you have a security problem on your network: 100%
> - chances an IPS will help you discover and fix these: 100%
>
> When I tell clients they need/want/should have an IPS, it's not because of
> some motivated external attacker this will help, but it's because they need
> better security visibility in their network and they don't have it.
>
> I have a long-standing bet which I have never lost that says if we put an
> IDS on your network, I can guarantee that it will tell you something about
> your security that you didn't know, but should.
>
> jms
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> Joel M Snyder, 1404 East Lind Road, Tucson, AZ, 85719
> Senior Partner, Opus One       Phone: +1 520 324 0494
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