On 03/25 14:20, Kelly Sauke wrote:

> Maybe I need a little clarification of what Live Upgrade does.  I've
> gotten a  lot of response of  what I would call  installer utilities
> but  not  a Live  Upgrade  (if  I'm wrong  please  point  it out  to
> me).  What Live Upgrade does under  solaris is it creates a complete
> alternate  boot environment  with a  root  /usr /var  and any  other
> filesystem you want.   Then you can apply patches etc  to this other
> boot environment and boot off of that.  If there is something in the
> patch that  doesn't work  or screws  up the  machine, then  you just
> reboot off  the original boot  environment and you're back  to where
> you were before upgrading and still  have access to the patched boot
> environment  to fix  it.  Its  great for  upgrading production  type
> servers because the 'back out plan' if you will is nothing more than
> reboot off  the old boot environment.   In other words you  have 2 /
> filesystems,  2 /usr's,  2  /var's  as well  as  2  kernels.  Its  a
> complete boot environment copy that you  can do anything to and then
> just  reboot off  the new  environment without  having to  touch the
> 'live' environment.

  I think most  of the people that have responded  to this thread have
  missed  the point.   Yea, rpm,  apt,  portage, blah,  blah are  good
  package management utilities, but we  are talking apples and oranges
  (or chalk  and cheese :) ).  LIve Upgrade gives you  a backout plan,
  which rpm, apt,  et al, do not.   Sun did not release  LU to replace
  the pkg* commands.

  apt, for instance, does not allow you to downgrade.  I tried this in
  the past,  and found that  it wont work, please  correct me if  I am
  wrong.

  What happens  after you  run apt-get  distupgrade and  everything is
  hosed?   Recover  from backups  of  course,  but  this can  be  time
  consuming, especially  if you need  to reinstall the  OS beforehand.

  I have  used SystemImager [1] and  I think this would  give you more
  Live  Upgrade  type utility.   You  would  be  able to  create  your
  updated OS  on a separate  machine, then  create an image.   You can
  have  multiple  images,  so  you could  easily  revert  back,  voila
  instant  backout plan.   Granted, this  will not  give you  parallel
  installations on the machine, but  this, IMHO, gives you the ability
  to  revert the  known good  state  as fast  as you  can reimage  the
  system.

  -James

  Relavent links:

  [1] http://www.systemimager.org/

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