VPRI answer to their Government and Private Funders, not those of us who
have the fortune to observe as they go.

It is my understanding the deliverable is not a "product" but "lessons
learned" to go and do it for real! Not ideal for us but then they're not
serving us.

Clearly this doesn't match your expectations. This is frustrating to you
but are your expectations their concern? Where do these expectations come
from?

Popular/Successful <> Better. It all depends on your pov and what you value.

Regards
P


On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Loup Vaillant <[email protected]> wrote:

> Le 1/21/2012 2:52 AM, Reuben Thomas a écrit :
>
>> I have just skimmed VPRI's 2011 report; lots of interesting stuff
>> there. The ironies of a working system that the rest of us can only
>> view in snapshot form grow ever-stronger: the constant references to
>> active documents are infuriating. The audience would like to see the
>> active document, but instead we only get a printout. It's as if,
>> waiting for a new film, we got only reviews of trailers rather than
>> the trailers themselves.
>>
>> The irony is then compounded by a code listing at the end of the
>> document (hint: a URL is shorter and actually useful; this is not the
>> 1980s).
>>
>> And then just when we thought it was going to end, the agony
>> continues: you've pushed the deadline back a year.
>>
>> I wish you all a joyful and productive 2012; unlike many projects,
>> it's clear that with this one the question is not whether what is
>> finally released will be worth the wait, it's whether it'll ever
>> actually be released.
>>
>> You do shoot yourselves in the foot at one point: "The Web should have
>> used HyperCard as its model, and the web designers made a terrible
>> mistake by not doing so." Yes, but the web shipped and revolutionised
>> the world; meanwhile, you lot have shipped stuff that, at best, like
>> Smalltalk, has inspired revolutions at one remove. Many of the lessons
>> of your work are decades old and still not widely learned. Contrast
>> with Steve Jobs, who spun an ounce of invention into a mile of
>> innovation, by combining a desire for better computing with the
>> understanding that without taking people with you, your ideas will die
>> with you. It's a shame and an embarrassment that to the world at large
>> he's the gold standard.
>>
>> Please, no more deadline extensions. Whatever you have by the end of
>> this year will unquestionably be worth releasing, for all its
>> imperfections. It's high time to stop inventing the future and start
>> investing it.
>>
>
> The FONC Wiki mention subversion repositories here:
> (stable) 
> http://piumarta.com/svn2/idst/**tags/idst-376<http://piumarta.com/svn2/idst/tags/idst-376>
> (trunk)  
> http://piumarta.com/svn2/idst/**trunk<http://piumarta.com/svn2/idst/trunk>
>
> I haven't tried yet, but it seems we outsiders can already play with it.
> Maybe that'll do as an actual "trailer"?
>
> Loup.
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