On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Miles Fidelman <[email protected]
> wrote:

> Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:
>
>> John Zabroski <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>
>>  Sorry, you did not answer my question, but instead presented excuses
>>> for why programmers misunderstand people.  (Can I paraphrase your
>>> thoughts as, "Because people are not programmers!")
>>>
>> No, you misunderstood my answer:
>> "Because people don't pay programmers enough."
>>
>>
>>  I think that might be an inaccurate statement in two regards:
>
> - programmers make VERY good money, at least in some fields (if you know
> where to find good, cheap coders, in the US, let me know where)
>
> - (a lot of programmers) do NOT have a particularly user-focused mindset
> (just ask a C coder what they think of Hypercard - you'll get all kinds of
> answers about why end-users can't do any useful; despite a really long
> track record of good stuff written in Hypercard, particularly by educators)
>
> Note: This is irrelevant vis-a-vis Jon's question, however.  The answer to
> why he can't find easy ways to upload files, is because he isn't looking.



I have probably spent the better part of my life looking for examples of
good design, and my conclusion is there are so few good designers. Even
fewer non-designers actually notice a good designers' abilities to put them
in a position to succeed.  For that reason, we are languishing under the
canopy of a squalid subcultural darkness where I get answers saying greed
is good and will solve all.

Your answer and Pascal's can only be described as the answers adults would
give.  My question was a thought exercise, to build in the world of
imagination.
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