1: Because top posting made it hard to respond in reasonable way. 2: How dare you?
1: I had to do slight editing of the message. > On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 5:20 AM, Josh Grams <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 2012-12-07 08:37AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > > Forwarded message From Hugh Aguilar <[email protected]> > > > Re: OPERATING SYSTEM ON A FPGA > > > > I don't understand what you want to get out of reposting this here? > > ISTM that the thread on racket-users covers things pretty well... Myself, I have reposted original message to Info list because I thought it could be interesting to someone else. It somehow went along my own topics. I guess for the same reason it ended here. I wasn't surprised given the group is about "future computing" which implies non-standard approach. (Eugen, who in his wildest dreams would think you could be tricked into becoming hompohobia promoter? I had no idea I am such a diabolic mind) > > I think Hugh has a point that Racket would not be suitable for > > development on small microcontrollers. I don't do embedded at all, but > > I get the impression that it's generally very static, with most data > > structures pre-allocated, or taken from a fixed-size pre-allocated pool. > > It's difficult for me to see how a dynamic language like Racket would > > fit that niche. But I don't know much about it. There may be a way to > > allow that kind of low-level control over memory usage. I guess it is hard to go below some size with Scheme. Or some other well developed Lisp. Especially that it is hard to go below some size with compiler, too. > > In general Hugh seems to be a bigot with questionable technical skills; > > e.g. Straight Forth is "straight" as in "no homosexuals allowed"... > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.forth/msg/bb9040268348ec02?dmode=source&output=gplain&noredirect > > > > --Josh On Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Max Orhai wrote: > I don't know Hugh, but he appears to be a machinist who never outgrew his > typically American blue-collar knee-jerk homophobia, which in turn > alienated him further from the small handful of his Forth-using peers. > His casually hateful comment on comp.lang.forth, to which Josh links, is > much more poignant in light of this blog post, one of Jeff Fox's last: Well, I don't know him either. Comments made by you two forced me to dig him out from search results. I guess the fair thing would be asking him a question rather than disputing his personality like this. I will not ask because I don't give a damn and besides I think what is and what is not homophobic depends strongly on one's background (how about gay joking about himself or other gay?). I can see he makes questionable remarks (a bit offputing for me but maybe he has something interested to say, too) however, no hate AFAICT. I had a look at some of his Forth code from forth.org - not enough time to analyse in depth but the code seems real, even if not doing very much. Other than this, I wouldn't mind if he put online something newer to back his words with the source. > > http://www.ultratechnology.com/blog.htm#111910 > > It's not clear to me what's "on topic" on this list anymore, or who's still > reading. Some are still reading, believe it or not. However, I prefer computer and science related stuff. Also, I am always happy to read a bit about things people were doing in the past. > But those of us who are foolhardy enough to maintain an emotional > or intellectual investment in fundamentally different ways of thinking > about and practicing computing might want to reflect for a while on what > Jeff had to say there. > > We're a minority culture, folks. At best. More realistically, we represent > a few distinct minority cultures and a big handful of unaffiliated > eccentric individuals. We're not going to "change the world" any time soon. > A more realistic goal would be survival in the current regime. This is a > very serious problem which has been, and continues to be, faced by every > distinct "minority group" in the history of civilization. Some manage to > adapt and find relatively safe niches where they can preserve a few of > their vital traditions. Most are crushed into oblivion. I'd say we are living in times when being minority does not suck as much as it usually does. As of being crushed by the word, IMHO those are either cases of extremely bad luck (no way to help it) or extreme foolishness (could be helped by resigning less important ideals to preserve what really matters, if possible). > If anyone here is actually serious about the history of computing, they > might consider writing a book about the culture of Forth. Seems to me > there's some valuable material there which is gradually passing out of > living memory. I would like to read such book. Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:[email protected] ** _______________________________________________ fonc mailing list [email protected] http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
