Excel is indeed interesting. Can google docs/libreoffice/OpenOffice do something similar? On Apr 21, 2013 2:52 AM, "John Nilsson" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think Excel is interesting in this regard. The common idiom in excel is > to employ user triggered code generation by fill formula to adapt the ui to > dynamically resized collections. > Not exactly automatic, but is it sufficiently trivial to group with or > trivial ui operations such as scroll or resize window that might also be > needed to not interfere with the display of the dynamic collection? > BR > John > Den 21 apr 2013 07:59 skrev "John Carlson" <[email protected]>: > >> If you want a more complex use case, create a loop 10 times around the >> collection add loop to insert a calculator into the collection. >> On Apr 21, 2013 12:48 AM, "John Carlson" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Here's a semipractical use case: add 1 to the display in each of a >>> dynamic collection of calculators (math domain widgets). What can do this >>> as end-user programming? It's fairly obvious that a textual language can >>> do this. Can any graphical ones? Can something like lively kernel do this >>> by demonstration? How about excel? With a dynamic collection? What will >>> work on android jelly bean? I'm away from my desktop right now. >>> On Apr 21, 2013 12:22 AM, "John Carlson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Looking for systems like this I found app-inventor activity starter on >>> my phone. Has anyone tried this? >>> On Apr 21, 2013 12:14 AM, "John Carlson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I believe the key to this is to create domain widgets. I am not sure >>>> if this needs to be something like etoys, maybe a combination between forth >>>> and etoys. I believe collections can make for interesting domain widgets. >>>> I have only programmed systems with collections of text. What systems work >>>> on collections of domain widgets? >>>> On Apr 21, 2013 12:02 AM, "John Carlson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yeah, you're right. The theory is coming up with a syntax free >>>>> language. Can you? >>>>> On Apr 21, 2013 12:00 AM, "David Barbour" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> How is that a theory? Sounds like a design principle. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 9:42 PM, John Carlson <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's my theory: reduce arguing with the compiler to minimum. This >>>>>>> means reducing programmers' syntax errors. Only add syntax to reduce >>>>>>> errors (the famous FORTRAN do loop error). The syntax that creates >>>>>>> errors >>>>>>> should be removed. >>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2013 11:18 PM, "John Carlson" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think it's better to work from examples, ala JUnit and end-user >>>>>>>> programming than come up with a theory that solves nothing. One can >>>>>>>> compare EGGG to GDL in scope and expressiveness. One interesting part >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> gaming is arguing about rules. What computer systems do that? >>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2013 11:09 PM, "John Carlson" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Practice or practical? Maybe there's space for practical theory, >>>>>>>>> instead of relying on things that don't exist. Why do we distinguish >>>>>>>>> practice from theory? Seems like a fallacy there. >>>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2013 10:51 PM, "David Barbour" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> only in practice >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 8:23 PM, John Carlson <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Take my word for it, theory comes down to Monday Night Football >>>>>>>>>>> on ESPN. >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2013 10:13 PM, "John Carlson" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think that concepts in some sense transcend the universe. >>>>>>>>>>>> Are there more digits in pi than there are atoms in the universe? >>>>>>>>>>>> I guess >>>>>>>>>>>> we are asking if there are transcendental volumes which are bigger >>>>>>>>>>>> or more >>>>>>>>>>>> complex than the universe. If the universe contains the >>>>>>>>>>>> transcendental as >>>>>>>>>>>> symbols then how many transcendental symbols are there? I think >>>>>>>>>>>> you still >>>>>>>>>>>> run into Russell's Paradox. >>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2013 9:15 PM, "Simon Forman" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/13, John Carlson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Do you need one symbol for the number infinity and another >>>>>>>>>>>>> for denoting >>>>>>>>>>>>> > that a set is inifinite? Or do you just reason about the >>>>>>>>>>>>> size of the set? >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Is there a difference between a set that is countably >>>>>>>>>>>>> infinite and one that >>>>>>>>>>>>> > isn't countable? I barely know Russell's paradox... you're >>>>>>>>>>>>> ahead of me. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, for what it's worth, quoting from Meguire's 2007 >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Boundary >>>>>>>>>>>>> Algebra: A Simple Notation for Boolean Algebra and the Truth >>>>>>>>>>>>> Functors": >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Let U be the universal set, a,b∈U, and ∅ be the null set. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then the >>>>>>>>>>>>> columns headed by “Sets” show how the algebra of sets and the >>>>>>>>>>>>> pa are >>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Table 4-2. The 10 Nontrivial Binary Connectives (Functors). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Name Logic Sets BA >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alternation a∨b a∪b ab >>>>>>>>>>>>> Conditional a→b a⊆b (a)b >>>>>>>>>>>>> Converse a←b a⊇b a(b) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Conjunction a∧b a∩b ((a)(b)) >>>>>>>>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>>>>>>>> NOR a↓b a∪b (ab) >>>>>>>>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheffer stroke a|b a∩b (a)(b) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Biconditional a↔b a⊆b⊆a (((a)b)(a(b))) -or- ((a)(b))(ab) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Apologies if the Unicode characters got mangled!) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out http://www.markability.net/sets.htm also. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know much about set theory but I think the "Universal" >>>>>>>>>>>>> set >>>>>>>>>>>>> stands for the set of everything, no? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Simon >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "The history of mankind for the last four centuries is rather >>>>>>>>>>>>> like that of >>>>>>>>>>>>> an imprisoned sleeper, stirring clumsily and uneasily while >>>>>>>>>>>>> the prison that >>>>>>>>>>>>> restrains and shelters him catches fire, not waking but >>>>>>>>>>>>> incorporating the >>>>>>>>>>>>> crackling and warmth of the fire with ancient and incongruous >>>>>>>>>>>>> dreams, than >>>>>>>>>>>>> like that of a man consciously awake to danger and >>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity." >>>>>>>>>>>>> --H. P. 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