Hi!

First of all, thank's again for the work done on the new ISOs!

Being a (power) user and not a developer I have some ideas I would like to share. They might be way of, but then again, they also might be spot on...

I would like to begin by addressing two large groups of users whom should fit the Foresight target audience perfectly.

First we have the tech savy crown that aren't developers, that is not programmers. I believe this group often gets overlooket because it's harder to get them to contribute, but that doesn't mean the never will contribute. Take network technicians as an example. They know the different CLI for Cisco, Juniper, HP, Nortel (Avaya), Alcatel and so on and these are people that would absolutely love Conary if they knew that a Linux distribution based on Conary existed.

Then we have mature users. I apologize if that word might be interpreted differently outside of Sweden, but what I mean is that you reach a certain point, lets say 30+ years old, when you most likely have other obligations in life taking priority over your inner most desires to run the perfect operating system on your computer. These users probably are the tech support for the entire family, including distans relatives and friends.

Both groups described are not the target users for any Linux distribution I know, and believe me I've tried many of them. Foresight might be the exeption. You need a stable system as secure as possible and you do not want to reinstall your computer every six months - and absolutely no time to help all friends and relative reinstall their computers. And for buisness users that's just silly really, because when are you suposed to reinstall your computer? At work during business hours? That's time well spent not being able to bill your customers... I believe Foresight Linux would fit professionals just as well as home users.

The users I describe need an operating system that
1.  just works and
2.  will continue working with as low maintanence as possible.

If you are tech savy the chanses are you will love Conary! I know I do...

If Foresight aims at these groups much of the marketing will take care of itself, because these users will be able to help other users get started with Foresight - and even if the first group will not become Foresight develepers maybe someone in the second wave will.

And speaking of marketing... Many of the users I describe above are active on LinkedIn, but the two Foresight groups are quite dead I'm afraid. I've been trying to become a member of both groups for months and that's not really the way to get new users feel welcome in the community. So my advice is taking ownership of those two LinkedIn groups and make sure everyone trying to become a member at least gets a proof of life (there a push on a like button on a post in those groups will broadcast a message to all your contacts witch makes for a much more personal and thrustworthy indirect marketing), or else they might become Ubuntu users whether they want to or not...

// Roger


2013-04-14 01:36, Rune Morling skrev:
So,

Roelof's recent cry for help re. porting Cinnamon strikes me as yet another data point in the mounting evidence pointing to the fact that we clearly do need to come together -- sooner rather than later -- in the name of focusing our efforts on assembling an easier to maintain base system (the so-far-mostly-mythical FL3).

I personally suspect that, in the course of doing so, we would do well to take a long, hard look at what we are and come to a sensible, sustainable decision about what we want to be, where we want to go, where we want to provide value and where we simply want to be e.g. a co-operative and pragmatic derivative of another distribution.

As far as target audience goes, I could see us catering to someone who wants a reasonably sane base from which to build custom re-spins which again take advantage of the capabilities that Conary offers in terms of software life-cycle management -- especially now that Conary is being/has been re-licensed under a business-friendly, permissive license. I also don't see us competing with neither Ubuntu nor Fedora and their ilk and I think we would do well to flat out admit that we don't have the resources to keep chasing that particular pipe dream.

In my view, what we need to focus on is the niche where the "intelligent developer" roams, the developer who needs to manage many machines with few resources and is thus essentially forced to work smarter than what is possible with the tools offered by existing distributions. In that niche, Conary is a strong selling point, as is a high degree of similarity to a well known and widely used distribution such as fedora.

Michael recently made some edits to the Foresight Linux Development page on the wiki[1], which are IMHO very much in step with the reality of what FL is and has been for the past couple of years. Prior to Michael's edit, the wording in the Goals section on that page was something I originally adapted from what is probably best described as "grand visions from the past". And my wording was a *very* conservative version of that grand vision.

So, in summary, scaling back our ambitions and aggressively honing our focus on our core mission might just be what the doctor ordered for FL to thrive in its niche-within-a-niche going forward.

Or in the timeless words of Antoine de Saint-Exupéry:

"Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away"


-Rune

[1]: http://wiki.foresightlinux.org/wiki/display/DEV/Foresight+Linux+Development

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