Excerpts from Michael K. Johnson's message of 2014-03-26 10:55:48 +0100:
> > > If we do that, then we can't version conary independently
> > > from Fedora as part of a platform.
> > can you explain what that means?
> 
> My point is that we don't want to ask for Conary to be included
> in Fedora without being integrated into process.

ok, i was not even thinking about that.
i merely mean to provide conary as an rpm package, from our own server for 
example:

(hypothetical instructions to install foresight could then look like so:)
  download this rpm here, install it with rpm -i conary.rpm
  then run conary-setup. if there are no errors, your fl:3 is ready.

> But please don't start the process of contributing a Conary RPM to Fedora
> without that.

as i said, that idea didn't even cross my mind. i was merely wondering about
having conary packaged in rpm format, to make installation easier.

> > but i meant even for fl:3, having conary as an rpm will make it easier to
> > convert a fedora install into foresight. there are of course limitations, 
> > as we
> > can't deal with additional repositories a user may have that we have not
> > imported.
> No, it really doesn't make it much eassier.

ok, that's true, the difference between downloading a tarball and downloading
an rpm is not that big. but it makes it feel easier. if i am a fedora user,
installing an rpm gives me at least the assurance that this won't scribble
randomly all over my packages, and that i can trust rpm to erase it again if i
want to. 

and i think it will make a difference when creating a respin.

> Don't be too glib about
> doing things in postinstall scripts; you can't muck about with either
> tool's database while the tool itself is running...

ah, yes, you are right, installing conary will potentially cause additional
packages to be installed or removed. yeah, doing that in postinstall would be
kinda recursive. didn't think about that. anyways, running it as a command
afterwards will do just fine.

> I understand your desire to make the adoption process easier.  Please
> let's walk before we run.  :)

well, at the moment i am collecting information, intent on learning how the
future may look like.

greetings, martin.

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