*** From [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tomasz Iwanowski) > URL for this article: http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/sixty.htm > > Join our email list at http://emperors-clothes.com/f.htm. > Receive about one article/day. > > ************************** > WILLIAM WALKER (MR. RACAK) AND HIS SALVADOR MASSACRE COVER-UP - Part > 2 > ************************** > Mr. SIGGEFRAIDO OCHELLO (Former Colonel, Salvadoran Army): The > American officer put the informant in a very difficult situation; so > dangerous he could have been killed. > > BRADLEY: Former Colonel Siggefraido Ochello was once a top commander > in the Salvadoran army. He's now a leader of the ruling right wing > Arena Party. > > Mr. OCHELLO: If you burn somebody, then other people who could > provide even more information clam up because they'll be burned, too. > A lot of them say: I don't know anything. They just shut up. What > this American officer did was to throw the informant into the lion's > den so they could tear him apart. > > BRADLEY: No thought was given to saying: Let's protect this guy's > name for the time being? Let's say here is the information, we want > to protect the source of that. > > Ambassador WALKER: Unlike the old newspaper men who feel they'd > rather die than reveal the source, we're not in that same game. We > were talking with the people who were trying to solve the case, on > whom a lot of pressure was to solve the case. > > Father MONAN: If we are ever going to get to the people who authored > the crime, even though they didn't pull the triggers, we're going to > have to have the informants come forward to talk about what they > know. And in this case, the only two people we know who came forward > both came to the United States and both suffered the consequences of > having provided their information. That discouragement of people to > come forward with information, I think, is fundamental to this case. > > BRADLEY: The man the informant fingered was Colonel Guillermo > Benovides, the head of the military academy, the West Point of El > Salvador. He was arrested one week after they were given his name by > the Americans. Seven men under his command were also arrested. > > Ambassador WALKER: I would argue that if, in fact, a colonel is > proved to be responsible for this and he is punished to the full > extent of the law, that will be a signal to other colonels, that will > be a signal to other people that this sort of behavior is not going > to be tolerated anymore in El Salvador. And I think that's a step > forward. > > Congressman GEORGE MILLER (Representative, California): Not at all. > Not at all. > > BRADLEY: California Congressman George Miller is a member of a > congressional task force investigating the Jesuit murders. > > Congressman MILLER: This is an effort to sort of keep throwing people > off the back of the truck to see whether you can get the posse to > quit pursuing you. > > Ambassador WALKER: I have seen no indication that President > Christiani, the people that are investigating this, the people who > are pushing to solve the mystery are hesitant to go to any level of > the government, to any level of the armed forces. They have gone so > far to a colonel. As we talked about earlier, this is historic. > > Congressman MILLER: What does the ambassador want us to do, give the > system a medal? This is a system that we've poured $ 5 billion into > that just slaughtered and murdered people with impunity. And now > we're supposed to shout: Hallelujah, they got a colonel? > > BRADLEY: They may not even have that. It seems that the evidence > against Colonel Benevides--testimony from three lieutenants that he > ordered the Jesuit murders--can't be used in court because it comes > from co-conspirators. President Christiani admitted that it's > doubtful Benevides can be convicted. Nonetheless, Ambassador Walker > says he believes the investigation has gone well. > > Ambassador WALKER: Even in the United States, sensational crimes are > not usually solved in a day or two. It takes time. It takes hard > police work. I am saying all the indications that we have are that > the people responsible for solving the crime have been working very > diligently, very professionally and have, in fact, solved it. > > BRADLEY: They've done ballistics tests. They've done fingerprints. > They have confessions. They've identified the killers. Doesn't that > satisfy you? > > Father O'HARE: The real issue is not whether these enlisted men who > did the shooting are identified and convicted, but whether those who > instructed them and made the decision to give the orders--that is > where the true guilt lies, I think. > > BRADLEY: The Jesuits believe the decision to kill the priests goes > much higher than Benevides. So does former Colonel Ochello. > > Is it conceivable that Colonel Benevides decided on his own to murder > the Jesuits? > > Mr. OCHELLO: No, I don't think so. Knowing him, he's a man who could > never take or even conceive of making a move as big as assassinating > the Jesuits. Benevides acted under orders. He didn't act alone. > > BRADLEY: Some in the army have said that Benevides misunderstood an > order and perhaps broke under the pressure. Isn't that possible? > > Mr. OCHELLO: Definitely not. I think this was all planned beforehand. > > > BRADLEY: You are saying that you don't believe that Colonel Benevides > acted alone, correct? > > Mr. OCHELLO: That's correct. > > BRADLEY: He had help from other senior officers in the Salvadoran > military? > > Mr. OCHELLO: That's correct. > > BRADLEY: And they planned the murder of the Jesuits? > > Mr. OCHELLO: I believe, yes. > > BRADLEY: Remember, few people know more about the inner workings of > the Salvadoran army than former Colonel Ochello, who was regarded as > one of the army's top field commanders. Why was the military after > the Jesuits? Many army commanders believed for years the Jesuits were > the brains behind the guerrillas. They denied that. The murdered > Jesuits said all they wanted was social justice for the people of El > Salvador. One of those Jesuits, Father Ignacio Martin Barro, spoke > with CBS News several months before he was killed. > > Father IGNACIO MARTIN BARRO (Assassinated Jesuit): Listen, the > problem of this country is not the problem of communism or > capitalism. The problems of this country are problems of very basic > wealth distribution, of very basic needs. But, when, in this country, > you ask for the satisfaction of those needs, you become a subversive. > > > BRADLEY: Father Martin Barro and the five other Jesuits were murdered > during the guerrilla offensive in San Salvador last November. At the > height of the offensive, several hours before the Jesuits were shot, > the top commanders met in military headquarters. Colonel Ochello > wasn't at that meeting, but he believes he knows what happened next. > > Mr. OCHELLO: A group of commanders stayed behind. It seems that each > was responsible for a zone in San Salvador. They gave an order to > kill leftists, just as Colonel Benevides did. I'll say it again: > Benevides obeyed. It wasn't his decision. > > BRADLEY: And yet, the Salvadoran officer in charge of the > investigation, Colonel Rivas, is no longer actively investigating the > case. Publicly at least, the American Embassy is not complaining, > even though top commanders who could have ordered Benevides to kill > the Jesuits have never been investigated. For instance, there's > Colonel Juan Orlandos Sapedas, the number two man in the army of El > Salvador. Just five months before the murder of the Jesuits, > according to a State Department document, Sapedas complained that the > Jesuits at the Catholic university were planning guerrilla strategy. > According to that same State Department document, Sapedas probably > was one of the officers to whom Benevides reported. > > We were not permitted to interview Colonel Sapedas. Instead we spoke > with Colonel Rene Emilio Ponce, the army chief of staff. > > Sapedas has not been questioned. He is on the record as saying > they're planning guerrilla strategy. Doesn't it make sense to > question him formally, to submit him to a polygraph? > > Colonel RENE EMILIO PONCE (Chief Of Staff, Salvadoran Army): That's > not for the military to decide. That's in the hands of the judicial > system. > > BRADLEY: I know you don't make the decisions. Do you have an opinion? > > > Colonel PONCE: My personal opinion is that here in this country, > there have been many opinions about the role of the Jesuits. You've > got to take into account all of the people who've said something > against the Jesuits, not just Colonel Sapedas. > > BRADLEY: It stunned us to find out that the American Embassy had > given Colonel Ponce an audiotape of our interview with Ambassador > Walker to help him prepare for us. So Ponce knew the questions we > were likely to ask. Is the US embassy in cahoots with the army of El > Salvador? Fathers Monan and O'Hare believe it is. And that the > embassy could have forced the Salvadorans to investigate officers > like Sapedas and hasn't done so. > > Ambassador WALKER: From the first moment we knew of the Jesuits' > deaths, which was about 7:00 or 8:00 AM on the day they were killed, > this embassy has been very, very involved in the investigation, in > trying to make sure that all T's were crossed, dots put above I's to > make sure the government did everything it could because we > recognized very early on that this was a very important case. > > BRADLEY: Why are you skeptical? I mean, the investigation has only > been going on for five months. > > Father O'HARE: Yeah, but the investigation of Archbishop Romero's > been going on for 10 years. And we haven't--at the time that that > crime was committed, the world was shocked. When four American women > were killed in December 1980, American military aid was stopped for a > brief time until we were assured that, once again, human rights were > going to be respected. So with that history, how can one have > confidence today that the system, as encouraged or not encouraged by > the United States government, is going to deliver justice in this > case. > > BRADLEY: Why would the American embassy--why would our government not > do everything possible to get to the bottom of the murder of the > Jesuits? > > Congressman MILLER: Because they'd have to turn in their own client. > The client is the Salvadoran government and the Salvadoran military. > And many of these questions are better left unanswered. > > Father O'HARE: I'd go right to the high command of the Salvadoran > military, and if that's the case, the US investment of the past 10 or > 12 years has been revealed as futile. > > BRADLEY: During those 10 or 12 years about 70,000 people were killed > in El Salvador, most of them unarmed civilians. According to human > rights organizations, most of that killing was done by the armed > forces of El Salvador, yet so far, not one military officer has been > convicted of a human rights crime. > > Colonel BARRO: There is--How you say?--there is an environment of the > possibility of being killed any moment of the day and the possibility > of being involved in a violent clash every moment. And you have to > count on that. > > STAHL: Just last Monday, the United Nation Truth Commission found > that the order to kill the Jesuits came from Colonel Rene Emilio > Ponce, the army chief of staff, the man who came to the interview > armed with the audio tape of our interview with the American > ambassador. > > The Truth Commission also concluded that the Salvadoran officers who > were investigating the crime--the ones described by then US > Ambassador Walker as diligent professionals--were actually part of > the coverup. > > (C) Sixty Minutes 1993 * Posted for Fair Use Only > > Join our email list at http://emperors-clothes.com/f.htm. 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