Dear Dave McCune, Dear Forum, > I have a group G and a map from G onto H, and I want GAP to use > Reidemeister-Schreier to get a presentation for the kernel of the map. I > couldn't figure out from the manual how to do this. Could somebody please > help? Thanks.
If you just want a way to present the subgroup, `IsomorphismFpGroup' will do what you want -- it does Reidemeister-Schreier, as well as some Tietze-Transformations to get the presentation smaller. The homomorphism allows for easy translation between the subgroup of the original group, and the group with the rewritten presentation. For example: Create some fp group and a map gap> f:=FreeGroup("a","b"); <free group on the generators [ a, b ]> gap> g:=f/ParseRelators(f,"a^2,b^3,[a,b]^5"); <fp group on the generators [ a, b ]> gap> RelatorsOfFpGroup(g); [ a^2, b^3, a^-1*b^-1*a*b*a^-1*b^-1*a*b*a^-1*b^-1*a*b*a^-1*b^-1*a*b*a^-1*b^ -1*a*b ] gap> A5:=Group((1,2,3,4,5),(1,2,3)); Group([ (1,2,3,4,5), (1,2,3) ]) gap> map:=GroupHomomorphismByImages(g,A5,GeneratorsOfGroup(g), > [(2,4)(3,5),(1,2,3)]); [ a, b ] -> [ (2,4)(3,5), (1,2,3) ] Now calculate the kernel, and determine an isomorphism onto a new fp group with the rewritten presentation: gap> k:=Kernel(map); Group(<fp, no generators known>) gap> iso:=IsomorphismFpGroup(k); [ <[ [ 1, 1 ] ]|b*a*b*a*b*a^-1*b*a^-1*b*a^-1>, <[ [ 2, 1 ] ]|b^-1*a*b^-1*a*b^-1*a^-1*b^-1*a^-1*b^-1*a^-1>, <[ [ 3, 1 ] ]|b*a*b^-1*a*b^-1*a*b^-1*a^-1*b^-1*a^-1*b>, <[ [ 4, 1 ] ]|a*b*a*b^-1*a*b^-1*a*b^-1*a^-1*b^-1*a^-1*b*a^-1>, <[ [ 5, 1 ] ]|b*a*b*a*b^-1*a*b*a*b*a^-1*b*a^-1*b^-1*a^-1*b*a^-1>, <[ [ 6, 1 ] ]|b^-1*a*b*a*b^-1*a*b^-1*a*b^-1*a^-1*b^-1*a^-1*b*a^-1*b> ] -> [ F1, F2, F3, F4, F5, F6 ] gap> h:=Range(iso); <fp group of size infinity on the generators [ F1, F2, F3, F4, F5, F6 ]> If we want the actual presentation: gap> RelatorsOfFpGroup(h); [ F4*F1^-1*F3*F6*F5*F6*F2*F1^-1*F5*F4^-1*F2^-1*F3^-1 ] If you want to go down to the bare metal and have a ``purer'' RRS, there is PresentationSubgroupRrs, which returns a ``presentation'' object. Greetings from Colorado, Alexander Hulpke -- Colorado State University, Department of Mathematics, Weber Building, 1874 Campus Delivery, Fort Collins, CO 80523-1874, USA email: hul...@math.colostate.edu, Phone: ++1-970-4914288 http://www.math.colostate.edu/~hulpke _______________________________________________ Forum mailing list Forum@mail.gap-system.org http://mail.gap-system.org/mailman/listinfo/forum