On Mon, November 19, 2012 5:51 pm, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 05:05:42PM -0000, Stefan Kohl wrote: >> Proving finiteness of all cycles may be pretty hard, however. > > Indeed, this problem is too close to the Collatz ((3n+1)/2) conjecture > for comfort.
Most likely yes. -- But I wouldn't claim right away that it is really of similar difficulty. There are some regularities, e.g. except for the cycle containing 1, all cycles seem to have either length 2 or length congruent to 8 mod 16 etc. > The Collatz sequence can be restated in your notation by > asking whether the orbits of Z under M are finite, where M is the submonoid > of Z^Z generated by a = (1(2)->2(3)) and b = (0(2)->0(1)) > (a and b are not one-to-one). You can actually do the same with a group. -- The group G := <(1(2),4(6)),(1(3),2(6)),(2(3),4(6))> < Sym(Z) acts transitively on the set of positive integers which are not divisible by 6 if and only if the 3n+1 conjecture holds. The group G can be entered by pasting the following into GAP: a := ClassTransposition(1,2,4,6); b := ClassTransposition(1,3,2,6); c := ClassTransposition(2,3,4,6); G := Group(a,b,c); Best wishes, Stefan _______________________________________________ Forum mailing list Forum@mail.gap-system.org http://mail.gap-system.org/mailman/listinfo/forum