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Document Number: T13/e02110r0
Date: 21 Feb 2002
Reply to: Pete McLean
To: Membership of T13
From: Ron Roberts, Secretary of T13, and Pete McLean, Chair of T13
Subject: Minutes of 33rd T13 Plenary Meeting at Placerville, CA
February 19 - February 20, 2002
Agenda
1 Opening remarks 3
2 Approval of agenda 3
3 Membership and attendance 3
3.1 Membership 3
3.2 Fees 3
3.3 Attendance 4
4 Approval of the minutes from the previous T13 plenary meeting
(e01146r0) 4
5 Document distribution 5
6 Review of previous action items 5
7 Old business 5
7.1 ATA-3 maintenance [McLean] 5
7.2 ATA/ATAPI-6 status 5
7.2.1 ATA/ATAPI-6 public review comment resolution (e02103r0
& e02004r0) 6
7.3 EDD - 2 project 1484-D [Stevens] 6
7.3.1 Resolution of letter ballot comments () [Stevens] 6
7.4 ATA/ATAPI Host Adapter Standard project 1510D [Goodfellow]
7
7.4.1 PCI timing register data (e01149r0) [Eschmann] 7
7.4.2 Draft review (1510D r0c) [Goodfellow] 7
7.5 ATA/ATAPI-7 project 1532D 7
7.5.1 Format discussion 7
7.5.2 Proposal for command integrity checking (e00160r1)
[McLean] 8
7.5.3 Extended cable lengths (e00151r1) [Goodfellow] 8
7.5.4 Larger physical sector size (e01138r1) [Colegrove]
8
7.5.5 INTRQ assertion, negation, release, pull-up (e01119r0)
[Barras] 8
7.5.6 FLUSH CACHE command modification proposal (e01126r0)
[Noblitt] 8
7.5.7 Selective self-test (e01139r1) [McLean] 8
7.5.8 Proposal for additions to ATA/ATAPI-7 for Ultra DMA
mode 6 (e01135r0) [Evans] 8
7.5.9 Extensions to device self-test (e01137r0) [Bulik] 8
7.5.10 Forced unit access (e01141r1) [Pan] 8
7.5.11 Unsolicited interrupts () [Goodfellow] 8
7.5.12 Reserved opcodes for serial ATA (e01145r0) [McLean]
8
7.5.13 Schedule review 9
7.6 ATAPI Implementation Specification (e00150r0) [Goodfellow]
(formerly Consolidated ATAPI PACKET command set) 9
7.7 Proposal document format guideline (e01129r0) [Colegrove]
9
7.8 Domain validation (e01148r0) [Hedrick] 9
7.9 T13 Reflector, FTP, and Web Site Setup 9
7.10 Open issues list 9
8 New Business 9
8.1 AV presentation [Fuchigami] 9
8.2 Proposal to obsolete SEEK (e02101r0) [McLean] 9
8.3 Serial ATA (e02007r0) 10
9 Liaison Reports 10
9.1 T10 10
9.2 SFF 10
9.3 IDEMA 10
10 Call for Patents 10
10.1 Nanjing e-Security Technology Co., Ltd. 10
11 Open Issues List Summary 10
12 Review of Action Items 11
13 Meeting Schedule 11
13.1 Authorization of ad hoc working groups 11
13.2 Long term meeting schedule 11
14 Adjournment 11
Results of the Meeting
1 Opening remarks
Pete McLean, the T13 Chair, called the meeting to order at 9:00 A.M. on
Tuesday, February 19, 2002. Pete thanked Ron Roberts of Adaptec, Inc. for
hosting the meeting.
As is customary, the people in attendance introduced themselves, and a copy
of the attendance list was circulated. Copies of the draft agenda were made
available to those in attendance.
The Chair reported that Mark Evans the former committee secretary will no
longer be attending T13 meetings. The Chair requested a volunteer to act as
secretary for this and future meetings. Ron Roberts volunteered to act as
secretary for this meeting. The chair requested that all members consider
volunteering as secretary and get back to him.
The Chair briefly reviewed the meeting rules: T13 is a Technical Committee
of INCITS and operates under INCITS rules. Anyone with interest in the work
of the committee is free to attend and take part in discussions. However,
motions and votes are limited to member organizations, one vote per member
organization.
In addition, the committee complies with INCITS antitrust guidelines. As a
result of this, discussions about pricing or pricing policies; R&D, sales,
or marketing plans; unannounced products, vendor or customer relations;
prices paid to vendors; or complaints about firms or other actions that
might hinder a competitor in any market are prohibited.
The Chair noted that a set of Policies and Procedures for INCITS are
available at the web site at www.ncits.org site under the standing document
category as SD-2. T13 operates under these revised policies and procedures
augmented by the T13 procedures at the T13 web site at www.t13.org.
2 Approval of agenda
The agenda as reflected in these minutes was approved unanimously.
3 Membership and attendance
The Chair reviewed the rules for membership and attendance:
3.1 Membership
An individual from an organization new to T13 must attend at least one T13
plenary meeting before requesting voting membership. After that meeting,
the representative may request membership from the T13 chair stating
expertise and material interest in the scope of the committee and pay the
required fees to INCITS. Voting privileges begin upon receipt by the INCITS
Secretariat of applicable fees for the membership year.
3.2 Fees
Current INCITS memberships fees for Observer, Principal, or additional
Alternate are 800.00 USD. The First Alternate is free with a Principal
membership.
Mailings of committee documents are available to any interested party after
each plenary meeting. The cost for mailings for one year is 300.00 USD for
mailing in the USA and 400.00 USD for mailing to a location outside of the
USA.
The Chair encouraged members to get their 2002 fees paid and if an invoice
has not been received contact Monica Vago at INCITS.
Persons with questions or requests regarding membership fees and/or
subscriptions for mailings should contact Monica Vago, Manager, ITI
Standards Operations, at 202-626-5739, send a fax to her at 202-638-4922, or
contact her by email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3.3 Attendance
In addition to payment of fees, there are also minimum attendance and
participation requirements to maintain voting membership status on T13. A
representative from a member organization must attend two of every three
plenary meetings and vote on at least every other letter ballot. If a
member organization fails to have a representative in attendance at two of
the last three T13 plenary meetings or vote on every other letter ballot,
they are warned that failing to attend the next T13 meeting or to vote on
the next letter ballot will result in their membership being terminated.
Attendance at a working group meeting does not affect voting membership
status in T13.
Four voting members were in jeopardy due to lack of attendance: QLogic,
Sandisk, Seagate, and ST Microelectronics.
No members were terminated due to lack of attendance.
The T13 voting membership during the meeting was 21 organizations.
The number of eligible voting members in attendance for establishing a
quorum was 7. 19 members were present at the meeting, thus a quorum was
present.
T13 voting membership following the meeting was 21 members.
The following individuals were in attendance:
Phil Gardner Absolute Software Curtis Stevens Pacific Digital
Ron Roberts Adaptec, Inc Ryosuke Shimiza Panasonic
Larry Barras Apple Gary Laatsch Phoenix
Sumit Puri Fujitsu Ron Salmon Phoenix
Andrew Vuong Hitachi Arie Krantz Qlogic
Don Colegrove IBM Henry Hutton SanDisk
Michael Eschmann Intel Marc Noblitt Seagate
Tim Bradshaw Iomega Bryan Cowger Sierra Logic
Andre Hedrick Linux ATA Development Raymond Liu Silicon Image
Yaniv Shapira Marvell Shoji Fuchigami Sony
Pete McLean Maxtor Glenn Lott STMicroelectronics
Duncan Penman Maxtor Tasuku Kasebayashi Toshiba
Mary Morgan Morgan Link John Masiewicz Western Digital
Tony Goodfellow Pacific Digital
4 Approval of the minutes from the previous T13 plenary meeting
(e01146r0)
The minutes from the previous meeting, e01146r0, were approved unanimously.
5 Document distribution
The following documents were distributed either via hard copy, soft copy, or
both:
Agenda and document directory
ATA/ATAPI-6 public review comment (e02103r0)
Command integrity proposal (e00160r1)
Proposal to obsolete SEEK command (e02101r0)
6 Review of previous action items
1. Pete McLean is to make a new revision of ATA/ATAPI-6 (revision 3a)
including resolution to letter ballot and other comments - Completed - to be
covered in item 7.2.
2. The Chair is to forward ATA/ATAPI-6, revision 3a to INCITS for
further processing - Completed - to be covered in item 7.2.
3. The Chair is to issue a letter ballot for forwarding EDD-2 project
1484D, revision 2, to INCITS for further processing - Completed - to be
covered in 7.3.
4. Representatives of device manufacturers who have not yet responded
are to speak with their designers regarding Larry Barras' proposal to limit
leakage current on INTRQ and be prepared to discuss this at the February
meeting - to be covered in item 7.5.5.
7 Old business
7.1 ATA-3 maintenance [McLean]
The Chair reported that INCITS has advised him that ATA-3 is up for
maintenance. The committee must decide whether ATA-3 is to be renewed,
revised, or withdrawn by 18 June 2002.
The committee wished to check with PCMCIA and CompacFlash before making the
decision. Action items were assigned to Pete McLean to check with PCMCIA and
Dan Colegrove to check with CompacFlash to determine which revision of the
ATA/ATAPI standard they are currently referencing.
The matter will be decided at the April plenary meeting.
7.2 ATA/ATAPI-6 status
The Chair reported that ATA/ATAPI-6 has been forwarded to INCITS for further
processing and is currently at public review. Public review closes 25
February 2002. ATA/ATAPI-6 has been assigned the number ANSI INCITS
361-2nnn.
The ANSI editor has made the following changes to the draft standard:
* Change from "Information Systems" to "Information Technology" on the
title page.
* Updated normative reference standard numbers.
* Changed Multiword DMA timing figure titles from "data transfer" to
"data burst" to match clause headers.
There were no objections to these changes.
7.2.1 ATA/ATAPI-6 public review comment resolution (e02103r0, e02004r0, &
e02009r0)
The chair presented the public review comments from Maxtor Corporation
(e02103r0), Andries Brouwer (e02004r0) and Alexander Krebs (e02009r0). All
comments were accepted by the committee.
Curtis Stevens moved and Dan Colegrove seconded the motion to "Accept the
resolution of all public comments included in documents e02103r0, e02004r0,
and e02009r0 as described in e02109r0, Resolution to public review comments
on ATA/ATAPI-6." Because document e02004r0 is considered a substantive
change to the draft standard a roll call vote is required for approval. The
results of the roll call vote was 15 yes, 0 no, 0 abstains, 6 voting members
not present as detailed below.
Organization Voter Vote
Absolute Software Phil Gardner Yes
Adaptec Ron Roberts Yes
Apple Not present
Fujitsu Not present
Hitachi Not present
IBM Dan Colegrove Yes
Intel Michael Eschmann Yes
Iomega Tim Bradshaw Yes
Linux ATA Development Not present
LSI Logic Not present
Maxtor Pete McLean Yes
Microsoft Not present
Morgan Link Mary Morgan Yes
Pacific Digital Tony Goodfellow Yes
Phoenix Ron Salmon Yes
Qlogic Arie Krantz Yes
Sandisk Henry Hutton Yes
Seagate Marc Noblitt Yes
ST Microelectronics Glenn Lott Yes
Toshiba Tasuku Kasebayashi Yes
John Masiewicz Western Digital Yes
The editor was given the action item to turn revision 3b with the required
changes and the chair was given the action item to forward the resolution to
NCITS and those who submitted the comments.
7.3 EDD - 2 project 1484-D [Stevens]
The Chair reported that the letter ballot to forward EDD-2 passed, 17 yes, 0
no, 0 abstain, and 4 members did not vote. Three yes votes had comments.
The Chair noted that if you receive e-mail reminders to vote on a letter
ballot, a vote has not yet been recorded for your organization.
7.3.1 Resolution of letter ballot comments (e02014r0) [Stevens]
Curtis Stevens presented e02104r0 comment resolution document. After some
discussion minor changes were requested to be included in e02104r1.
Ron Salmon moved and Tony Goodfellow seconded the motion to " Approve the
resolution of comments as described in document e02104r1." Roll call vote
was 15 yes, 0 no, 0 abstains, 6 voting members not present as detailed
below.
Organization Voter Vote
Absolute Software Phil Gardner Yes
Adaptec Ron Roberts Yes
Apple Not present
Fujitsu Not present
Hitachi Not present
IBM Dan Colegrove Yes
Intel Michael Eschmann Yes
Iomega Tim Bradshaw Yes
Linux ATA Development Andre Hedrick Yes
LSI Logic Not present
Maxtor Pete McLean Yes
Microsoft Not present
Morgan Link Not present
Pacific Digital Tony Goodfellow Yes
Phoenix Ron Salmon Yes
Qlogic Arie Krantz Yes
Sandisk Henry Hutton Yes
Seagate Marc Noblitt Yes
ST Microelectronics Glenn Lott Yes
Toshiba Tasuku Kasebayashi Yes
John Masiewicz Western Digital Yes
Action items were assigned to Curtis Stevens, editor, to produce a revision
3 of EDD-2 that includes the comments as resolved in e02104r1 and the chair
to forward revision 3 of EDD-2 to INCITS for further processing.
7.4 ATA/ATAPI Host Adapter Standard project 1510D [Goodfellow]
7.4.1 PCI timing register data (e02105r0) [Eschmann]
Mike Eschmann presented the proposal for additions to the ATA Host Adapter
Standard. The amendment defines a set of registers for controlling the PIO
and Bus-master DMA timings, plus a set of registers for controlling the UDMA
timings. These timing represent the INTEL controllers. Mike and Tony
Goodfellow will work off-line to incorporate the amendments into a draft of
1510D. Ron Roberts moved, and Curtis Stevens seconded, to incorporate
e02105r0 in 1510D as an Informative Annex. Vote 16 Yes, 0 No, 1 abstain, 4
not present.
7.4.2 Draft review (1510D r0c) [Goodfellow]
Tony Goodfellow presented draft rev 0c. The group reviewed the change bars
in 0c and requested numerous changes. Tony will turn a new rev for the next
meeting.
7.5 ATA/ATAPI-7 project 1532D
7.5.1 Format discussion
Pete McLean, the editor, reported that the format changes requested at the
last meeting were completed in revision 0a of the draft standard.
Pete also requested permission to include the ANSI editor's changes to
ATA/ATAPI-6 in ATA/ATAPI-7. There were no objections.
7.5.2 Proposal for command integrity checking (e00160r1) [McLean]
The proposal was discussed. At least one member requested that a decision on
the proposal be postponed until the next meeting to allow further checking
as to its effects on current product. Item to remain on the agenda for the
next meeting.
7.5.3 Extended cable lengths (e00151r1) [Goodfellow]
Tony Goodfellow requested that there be no discussion at this meeting. A new
revision will be presented at the next meeting.
7.5.4 Larger physical sector size (e01138r1) [Colegrove]
Dan Colegrove presented the proposal and a lengthy discussion followed. Item
to remain on the agenda for the next meeting. Dan will post an IDEMA
presentation describing the need for larger sectors.
7.5.5 INTRQ assertion, negation, release, pull-up (e01119r0) [Barras]
ST Microelectronics stated there was no problem for them. Seagate, WD,
Toshiba and Hitachi would like more time to investigate. Carried over to
next meeting.
7.5.6 FLUSH CACHE command modification proposal (e01126r0) [Noblitt]
Seagate withdrew the proposal.
7.5.7 Selective self-test (e01139r1) [McLean]
Pete McLean presented the proposal revision 1. Implementation of this
selective test routine is optional. Marc Noblett requested that a statement
be added that the Host shall not change the logs while self-test is in
progress. John Maciewicz requested that value 8, in the Self-test execution
status values be deleted. These requests were accepted. Pete McLean moved,
and Marc Noblett seconded, to incorporate e01139r1 as modified into
ATAPI/ATA-7. Motion passed with 17 yes, 0 no, 0 abstain.
7.5.8 Proposal for additions to ATA/ATAPI-7 for Ultra DMA mode 6
(e01135r1) [Evans]
Pete McLean presented the proposal. After some discussion Pete moved that
e01135r1 be incorporated into ATAPI/ATA-7. Curtis Stevens seconded the
motion. The vote was 13 Yes, 2 no, 1 abstain. The no votes were by Adaptec
and Intel. Both stated that they voted no because of concern as to whether
the data rate actually worked.
7.5.9 Extensions to device self-test (e01137r0) [Bulik]
After considerable discussion WD was asked to carry this item over to the
next meeting.
7.5.10 Forced unit access (e01141r1) [Pan]
Microsoft was not present at the meeting so this item will be carried over
to the next meeting.
7.5.11 Unsolicited interrupts () [Goodfellow]
Tony Goodfellow asked that this item will be carried over to the next
meeting.
7.5.12 Reserved op-codes for serial ATA (e01145r0) [McLean]
Pete McLean asked that is item be carried over to the next meeting.
7.5.13 Schedule review
The schedule for the project as it is reflected in the following table was
reviewed. There were no changes made to the schedule at this meeting. The
chair reminded members that proposal cut-off for this project is June.
Schedule Item Original Prior Current
Project proposal Aug-01 Aug-01 Aug-01
Initial draft Dec-01 Dec-01 Dec-01
Proposal cut-off Jun-02 Jun-02 Jun-02
Stabilized draft Dec-02 Dec-02 Dec-02
Letter ballot Apr-03 Apr-03 Apr-03
Forward to NCITS Jun-03 Jun-03 Jun-03
7.6 ATAPI Implementation Specification (e00150r0) [Goodfellow] (formerly
Consolidated ATAPI PACKET command set)
Tony Goodfellow asked that this item be carried over to the next meeting.
7.7 Proposal document format guideline (e01129r0) [Colegrove]
The document will now be changed from a proposal to Document format
guideline. This item will be removed from the agenda.
7.8 Domain validation (e01148r0) [Hedrick]
Andre Hedrick requested that this item be carried over to the next meeting.
7.9 T13 Reflector, FTP, and Web Site Setup
No issues were raised. This item will be carried over to the next meeting.
7.10 Open issues list
There are no open issues.
8 New Business
8.1 AV presentation [Fuchigami]
Shoji Fuchigami and Ryosuke Shimizu, representatives Japan IDEMA presented.
The presentation identified described work going on in their committee for
unique specifications for AV disk drives. Ways in which T13 could
participate were discussed. The presentations are available as e02107r0 and
e02108r0. This will be discussed further at the next meeting.
8.2 Proposal to obsolete SEEK (e02101r0) [McLean]
This item was discussed and will be carried over to the next meeting.
8.3 Serial ATA (e02007r0)
The chair presented the e-mail from the Serial ATA consortium asking if T13
would be interested in accepting the Serial ATA 1.0 specification. After a
great deal of discussion the chair was instructed to respond with a letter
stating that T13 would agree to take over the responsibility of the Serial
ATA 1.0 specification and convert it to an ANSI Standard.
The Chair is to respond to Serial ATA Committee indicating that T13 is very
agreeable to taking over the 1.0 specification, reminding Serial ATA of the
ANSI patent and copyright policies, asking if further enhancements will be
done in T13 or brought to T13, and inviting Serial ATA group members to
attend the April T13 meeting.
8.4 EDD-3
Curtis proposed to add other INT13 functions to EDD-2. Curtis will provide a
project proposal two weeks prior to the next meeting.
9 Liaison Reports
9.1 T10
The latest T10 liaison report from John Lohmeyer has been posted on the T13
web site as e02102r0.
9.2 SFF
No activity regarding T13 efforts was reported.
9.3 IDEMA
No activity regarding T13 efforts was reported.
10 Call for Patents
The Chair explained the patent policy. A document is available from ANSI,
"Procedures for the Development and Coordination of American National
Standards", at no charge. This document is also on the INCITS web site at
ftp://www.ncits.org/help/ansi_sdo.html. Section 1.2.11 contains the ANSI
patent policy. Amy Marasco manages patent issues for ANSI and can be
contacted at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 212-642-4954.
The Chair then called for patents and/or patent applications that may be
necessary to comply with the requirements in T13 standards, draft standards,
technical reports, or draft technical reports. There was no response to the
call for patents.
10.1 Nanjing e-Security Technology Co., Ltd.
The Chair reported that he had received an email from Nanjing e-Security
Technology Co., Ltd concerning the SET MAX ADDRESS command. This document
has been posted as T13/e02002r0. The chair responded to Nanjing e-Security
Technology Co., Ltd with a letter requesting that they review the ANSI
patent policy and respond as to whether they are willing to comply with that
policy.
11 Open Issues List Summary
No items on the list at this time.
12 Review of Action Items
Action Item: Pete McLean to check with PCMCIA org on which rev they are tied
to.
Action item: Chairman to report the results of the action approved on
comment resolution of ATAPI/ATA-6 to INCITS.
Action Item: Dan Colegrove to check with Compac Flash org on which rev they
are tied to.
Action Item: Curtis Stevens, editor, shall produce a revision 3 of EDD-2
that includes the comments as resolved in e02104r1.
Action Item: Chairman to forward revision 3 of EDD-2 to INCITS for further
processing.
Action Item: Chairman to respond to Serial ATA Committee indicating that T13
is agreeable to taking over the 1.0 specification.
13 Meeting Schedule
13.1 Authorization of ad hoc working groups
No ad hoc working groups were authorized.
13.2 Long term meeting schedule
The meeting dates, locations, hosts, and contacts were reviewed through
CY2003 (included below). No changes were made at this meeting.
CY 2002 Dates Location Host Contact
April 23-25, 2002 Longmont, CO Seagate Marc Noblitt
June 25-27, 2002 Irvine, CA Phoenix Ron Salmon
August 20-22, 2002 Longmont, CO Maxtor Pete McLean
October 22-24, 2002 TBD Pacific Digital Tony Goodfellow
December 17-19, 2002 Irvine, CA Western Digital Darrin Bulik
CY 2003 Dates Location Host Contact
February 18-20, 2003 Placerville, CA Adaptec Ron Roberts
April 22-24, 2003 Longmont, CO Seagate Marc Noblitt
June 24-26, 2003 Irvine, CA Phoenix Ron Salmon
August 19-21, 2003 Longmont, CO Maxtor Pete McLean
October 21-23, 2003 TBD Pacific Digital Tony Goodfellow
December 16-18, 2003 Las Vegas IBM Dan Colegrove
NOTE - Meetings are scheduled for three days only.
As noted above the dates of the next plenary meeting of T13 are April 23rd
through 25th. The meeting will be held in Longmont, CO, hosted by Marc
Noblitt of Seagate. A host meeting notice will be sent out on the reflector
and will be added to the web site.
14 Adjournment
The meeting adjourned by the Chair, Pete McLean, upon completion of all the
agenda items at 3 P.M. on February 20, 2002.
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