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Document Number: T13/e02124r0
Date: 26 June 2002
Reply to: Pete McLean
To: Membership of T13
From: Curtis Stevens, Secretary of T13, and Pete McLean, Chairman of T13
Subject: Minutes of 35th T13 Plenary Meeting at Irvine, CA
June 25 and 26, 2002
Agenda
1 Opening remarks 3
2 Approval of agenda 3
3 Membership and attendance 3
3.1 Membership 4
3.2 Fees 4
3.3 Attendance 4
4 Approval of the minutes from the previous T13 plenary meeting
(e02118r0) 5
5 Document distribution 5
6 Review of previous action items 5
7 Old business 6
7.1 ATA-3 withdrawal status X3.298:1997 6
7.2 ATA/ATAPI-6 project 1410D status (INCITS 361-2nnn) 6
7.3 EDD - 2 project 1484D status (INCITS 363-2nnn) 6
7.4 ATA/ATAPI Host Adapter Standard project 1510D 6
7.4.1 Draft review (1510D r0c) [Goodfellow] 6
7.5 ATA/ATAPI-7 project 1532D 7
7.5.1 Extended cable lengths (e00151r1) [Goodfellow] 7
7.5.2 Larger physical sector size (e01138r2) [Colegrove] 7
7.5.3 INTRQ assertion, negation, release, pull-up (e01119r0)
[Barras] 7
7.5.4 Extensions to device self-test (e01137r1) [Bulik] 7
7.5.5 Forced Unit Access (FUA) (e01141r2) [Pan] 8
7.5.6 Unsolicited interrupts (e02130r0) [Goodfellow] 8
7.5.7 IDENTIFY DEVICE data to support acoustic testing (e02115r0)
[Colegrove] 9
7.5.8 Device problem condition reporting (e02122r0) [Colegrove]
9
7.5.9 ATA/ATAPI-7 schedule review 9
7.6 EDD-3 project proposal (e02112r1) [Stevens] 9
7.7 Domain validation (e01148r0) [Hedrick] 9
7.8 IDEMA A/V working group [Fuchigami] 10
7.9 T13 Reflector, FTP, and Web Site Setup 11
7.10 Open issues list 11
8 New Business 11
8.1 1.8" 3.3v parallel form factor proposal (e02119r0) [Kasebayashi]
11
8.2 Miscellaneous Items for ATA/ATAPI-7 (e02123r0) [McLean] 11
8.3 Time limiting reads and writes for AV (e02121r0) [Hatfield] 12
8.4 Hot Swap 12
8.5 Drive Connector Position 12
8.6 Higher transfer rates for direct connect 12
8.7 SMART Attributes [Pete McLean] 12
8.8 Limit on burst length for CRC integrity [Pete McLean] 12
8.9 Retrieval of error register bits [Tony Goodfellow] 13
8.10 Unique Serial Numbers 13
9 Liaison Reports 13
9.1 T10 13
9.2 SFF 13
9.3 IDEMA 13
9.4 Serial ATA II 13
10 Call for Patents 13
11 Open Issues List Summary 14
12 Review of Action Items 14
13 Meeting Schedule 14
13.1 Authorization of ad hoc working groups 14
13.2 Long term meeting schedule 14
14 Adjournment 15
Results of the Meeting
1 Opening remarks
Pete McLean, the T13 Chair, called the meeting to order at 9:00 A.M. on
Tuesday, June 25, 2002. Pete thanked Ron Salmon of Phoenix Technologies for
hosting the meeting.
As is customary, the people in attendance introduced themselves, and a copy
of the attendance list was circulated. Copies of the draft agenda were made
available to those in attendance.
The Chair briefly reviewed the meeting rules: T13 is a Technical Committee
of INCITS and operates under INCITS rules. Anyone with interest in the work
of the committee is free to attend and take part in discussions. However,
motions and votes are limited to member organizations, one vote per member
organization.
The Chair also noted that T13 operates under the ANSI antitrust guidelines.
There should never be discussion of the following topics at any NCITS or an
NCITS subgroup meeting:
* Any company's prices or pricing policies;
* Specific R&D, sales and marketing plans;
* Any company's confidential product, product development or
production strategies;
* Whether certain suppliers or customers will be served;
* Prices paid to input sources; or
* Complaints about individual firms or other actions that might tend
to hinder a competitor in any market.
Policies and Procedures and antitrust guidelines for INCITS are available at
the web site at www.ncits.org site. T13 operates under these revised
policies and procedures augmented by the T13 procedures at the T13 web site
at www.t13.org.
2 Approval of agenda
The agenda as reflected in these minutes was approved unanimously.
3 Membership and attendance
The Chair reviewed the rules for membership and attendance:
3.1 Membership
An individual from an organization new to T13 must attend at least one T13
plenary meeting before requesting voting membership. After that meeting,
the representative may request membership from the T13 chair stating
expertise and material interest in the scope of the committee and pay the
required fees to INCITS. Voting privileges begin upon receipt by the INCITS
Secretariat of applicable fees for the membership year.
3.2 Fees
Current INCITS memberships fees for Observer, Principal, or additional
Alternate are 800.00 USD. The First Alternate is free with a Principal
membership.
Mailings of committee documents are available to any interested party after
each plenary meeting. The cost for mailings for one year is 300.00 USD for
mailing in the USA and 400.00 USD for mailing to a location outside of the
USA.
Persons with questions or requests regarding membership fees and/or
subscriptions for mailings should contact Monica Vago, Manager, ITI
Standards Operations, at 202-626-5739, send a fax to her at 202-638-4922, or
contact her by email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3.3 Attendance
In addition to payment of fees, there are also minimum attendance and
participation requirements to maintain voting membership status on T13. A
representative from a member organization must attend two of every three
plenary meetings and vote on at least every other letter ballot. If a
member organization fails to have a representative in attendance at two of
the last three T13 plenary meetings or vote on every other letter ballot,
they are warned that failing to attend the next T13 meeting or to vote on
the next letter ballot will result in their membership being terminated.
Attendance at a working group meeting does not affect voting membership
status in T13.
Three voting members were in jeopardy due to lack of attendance: Apple
Computer, Hitachi, and LSI Logic.
All members were present and are no longer in jeopardy.
The T13 voting membership during the meeting was 22 organizations.
The number of eligible voting members required for establishing a quorum was
8. 13 member organizations were present at the start of meeting, thus a
quorum was present.
The following individuals were in attendance:
Larry Barras Apple Computer Stephen Cumpson Philips
Jeff Apodaca Comm Con Gary Laatsch Phoenix
Sumit Puri Fujitsu Ron Salmon Phoenix
Andrew Vuong Hitachi Arie Krantz Qlogic
Dan Colegrove IBM Bob Chang Sandisk
Andre Hedrick LAD Storage Jim Hatfield Seagate
Tim Thompson LSI Logic Raymond Liu Silicon Image
Pete McLean Maxtor Shoji Fuchigami Sony
Nita Pan Microsoft Tasuku Kasebayashi Toshiba
Tony Goodfellow Pacific Digital Darrin Bulik Western Digital
Curtis Stevens Pacific Digital John Masiewicz Western Digital
Ryosuke Shimizu Panasonic
4 Approval of the minutes from the previous T13 plenary meeting
(e02118r0)
The minutes from the previous meeting, e02118r0, were approved unanimously.
5 Document distribution
The following documents were distributed either via hard copy, soft copy, or
both:
Agenda and document directory
Meeting announcement for the August meeting
e02123r0 Miscellaneous Items for ATA/ATAPI-7
e02121r0 Time-limited read/write mode proposal
e01128r0 IDEMA- Japan AV command discussion
e02122r0 Device problem condition reporting proposal
e02115r0 Proposal to add IDENTIFY DEVICE data to support ISO-7779
e02119r0 1.8 inch 3.3 V parallel form factor proposal
e02138r2 Large sector size proposal
6 Review of previous action items
1. Dan Colegrove will place a link on www.t13.org <http://www.t13.org>
to the INCITS antitrust policy - completed
2. The chair to notify INCITS that T13 has recommended that withdraw
ATA-3 (X3.298-1997) be withdrawn - completed - to be covered in section 7.1.
3. Pete McLean to provide Knut Grimsrud with the opcodes, log page
numbers, etc. requested by Serial ATA - completed.
4. Tony Goodfellow to create e02117r0, which is a proposal on how to
identify the specification and revision level of an HBA and update the HBA
standard. These documents will be posted at least 2 weeks prior to the next
meeting - overcome by events - to be covered under 7.4.
5. Curtis Stevens to provide e02112r1 to Dan Colegrove for posting at
least 2 weeks prior to the next meeting - completed - to be covered under
7.6..
6. Dan Colegrove agreed to do a proposal for standardizing drive
capacity point and post it prior the June meeting - overcome by events.
7. Pete McLean to send Curtis the Chinese version of the Nanjing patent
- completed.
7 Old business
7.1 ATA-3 withdrawal status X3.298:1997
The chair reported that the ATA-3 withdrawal closed public review yesterday,
June 24. As of Friday there were no public review comments.
7.2 ATA/ATAPI-6 project 1410D status (INCITS 361-2nnn)
The chair reported that public review closed May 13. There were no comments.
The draft standard is now up for final INCITS approval.
7.3 EDD - 2 project 1484D status (INCITS 363-2nnn)
The chair congratulated Curtis Stevens as the ANSI editor had no corrections
to the EDD-2 draft standard. The Chair reported that public review closed
May 13. There were no comments. The draft standard is now up for final
INCITS approval.
7.4 ATA/ATAPI Host Adapter Standard project 1510D
7.4.1 Draft review (1510D r0c) [Goodfellow]
Tony Goodfellow did a change-bar review from the group. Pete McLean asked
that an updated copy of project be posted at least 2 weeks prior to the next
meeting.
7.5 ATA/ATAPI-7 project 1532D
7.5.1 Extended cable lengths (e00151r1) [Goodfellow]
There was discussion on the merits of having a longer cable. John Masiewicz
from Western Digital asked for better data. The data in e00151r1 is mainly
empirical. John is asking for more data showing the cable behavior for
worst case testing.
A straw poll was taken asking if a properly defended specification was made
would people vote for or against the proposal. One person was for and five
were against. Some votes changed if the proposal was for an informative
annex. Things were more positive if the proposal became a technical report.
7.5.2 Larger physical sector size (e01138r2) [Colegrove]
Dan Colegrove revised his proposal based on input from SATA II to include
sector sizes other than 512 bytes to support non-traditional applications
such as RAID. The group tasked Dan with updating the proposal to include
comments based on the review.
Discussion continued on day 2... There was concern that sectors that were
not 512 bytes would cause PC systems to fail in a very unfriendly manner.
Dan proposed a middle ground solution where the drive comes up forced to 512
byte sectors and could be switch into big sector mode.
The group requested that Dan split out the non 512-byte sector size
information into a separate proposal.
7.5.3 INTRQ assertion, negation, release, pull-up (e01119r0) [Barras]
Both Seagate and Toshiba said they would support this change in ATA-7.
Other drive manufacturers have already stated their support for the
proposal. The chair made a call for objections to the proposal.
Larry Barras moved to adopt e01119r0 into the ATA/ATAPI standard project and
Andre Hedrick seconded. There was no discussion. The motion passed
13-0-1-8
7.5.4 Extensions to device self-test (e01137r1) [Bulik]
Darrin Bulik presented his update to this proposal that now has more detail.
Pete McLean expressed concern that although this defines a new SMART
capability, it does not tell you its purpose.
Darin Bulik moved and Curtis Stevens seconded that a sentence is added to
indicate damage has occurred and that this proposal is added to ATA/ATAPI-7.
Discussion followed. Several people wanted more clarification on the usage.
Darin explained on the whiteboard how this new test relates to existing
short, long and selective tests. Motion passed: 12-0-1-9
7.5.5 Forced Unit Access (FUA) (e01141r2) [Pan]
Nita Pan presented revision 2 of the Microsoft Forced Unit Access proposal.
This proposal adds 2 new opcodes to create FUA WRITE DMA and FUA WRITE
MULTIPLE. In addition, extended commands are modified to have an FUA bit.
The group responded that new drives will support 48-bit capability even if
the drive is smaller than 137GB. This means that 28-bit FUA commands are
not necessary. An issue was raised by John Masiewicz that if a bit was
added to current 48-bit commands it would not be recognized by drive
hardware automation. This would delay the implementation of this proposal.
The group proposed that two new commands be created: WRITE DMA EXT FUA and
WRITE MULTIPLE EXT FUA. This would allow faster implementation. The group
also suggested that these commands do no blow the queue.
Dan Colegrove noted that SATA II had created queued commands with an FUA bit
and placed the bit in bit 7 of the device/head register. This is currently
and OBSOLETE bit in ATA/ATAPI-7 and inconsistent with normal ATA usage. The
chair asked that we discuss this issue later in the meeting.
Curtis Stevens moved Gary Laatsch seconded that WRITE MULTIPLE EXTENDED FUA
and WRITE DMA EXTENDED FUA be added to ATA/ATAPI-7 without an FUA bit, and
with new opcodes. There was a friendly amendment made to add queued version
of FUA. The motion now reads: WRITE MULTIPLE EXTENDED FUA, WRITE DMA
EXTENDED FUA. And WRITE DMA QUEUED EXTENDED FUA be added to ATA/ATAPI-7
without an FUA bit, and with new opcodes. Discussion continued regarding
the queued version of the command. The queued version has a service bit
instead of a DSC bit. The completion of a queued FUA could result in the
FUA bit being set. There was discussion about SATA II directions. The SATA
WG has to opportunity to evaluate this change and incorporate it if they
desire. Question was called, vote was taken, and motion passed 11-2-2-7.
One of the no votes was because they desired an FUA bit in place of new
opcodes. The other no vote was concerned that these new commands would not
meet the needs of certain file systems.
7.5.6 Unsolicited interrupts (e02130r0) [Goodfellow]
Tony Goodfellow presented 2 possibilities:
1. Separate interrupt line using the pin that is currently
keyed. When the interrupt is asserted the host queries the device.
2. Queue a report status request with a tag. If the drive has
something to report it will satisfy the Queued command.
There are many issues with both of these methods. Several device
manufacturers do not support queuing. On the other hand, adding a new
signal to the cable is problematic.
Discussion continue on day 2...
Tony Goodfellow presented e02130r0 which presented the concept of queuing a
WAIT FOR EVENT command in the drive. The group agreed that they wanted to
study the implications of this approach and discuss it again at the next
meeting.
7.5.7 IDENTIFY DEVICE data to support acoustic testing (e02115r0)
[Colegrove]
No new document was presented. There was considerable discussion on the
merits of including the parameters of ISO 7779 testing. One of the
parameters is well defined while the other is subject to interpretation.
There was a concern expressed by several people that this could become a
procurement spec issue. The group agreed that Dan Colegrove should modify
the proposal to return the end values required by ISO 7779 instead of the
parameters used to calculate the end values. Dan will revise the proposal
based on group input.
7.5.8 Device problem condition reporting (e02122r0) [Colegrove]
Dan Colegrove presented the proposal to the group. There was considerable
discussion on how to report the problem when it occurs.
The group agreed that READ LOG EXTENDED was the right place to report the
error.
The group agreed that there should be an enable and disable SET FEATURES
There was some debate on how to report there was a problem. The ideas
circulated included modifying SMART error reporting, defining an additional
error bit, and unsolicited interrupts.
Dan agreed to modify the proposal with the items that were agreed and to
work on how to report the problem.
7.5.9 ATA/ATAPI-7 schedule review
Schedule Item Original Prior Current
Project proposal Aug-01 Aug-01 Aug-01
Initial draft Dec-01 Dec-01 Dec-01
Proposal cut-off Jun-02 Jun-02 Jun-02
Stabilized draft Dec-02 Dec-02 Dec-02
Letter ballot Apr-03 Apr-03 Apr-03
Forward to NCITS Jun-03 Jun-03 Jun-03
7.6 EDD-3 project proposal (e02112r1) [Stevens]
Curtis Stevens presented the latest revision of the project proposal.
Serial ATA was added to the list of supported buses.
Dan Colegrove moved and Ron Salmon seconded that this project proposal be
approved as modified. There was no discussion. Motion passed : 13-0-0-9
7.7 Domain validation (e01148r0) [Hedrick]
Andre Hedrick requested that this item be withdrawn and removed from future
agenda.
7.8 IDEMA A/V working group [Fuchigami]
Representatives from IDEMA presented their requirements regarding the ATA
command set. They emphasized that completing a command on time was the
ultimate priority. They discussed several areas where the current
specification is ambiguous.
1. Sections 4.17.1 and 5.37.4 need more detail
2. There was a misunderstanding on how streaming works. After
some discussion they understood what a stream is and will report back to
IDEMA
3. IDEMA is requesting a new error code if the CCT (command
completion timeout) is too small. Currently there is no special error.
4. There was a discussion on the usage of Allocation Units.
The misunderstanding seemed to revolve around large AU's where multiple
commands are required to transfer a single AU. The debate was whether you
can service two or more streams simultaneously and split the reading of the
AU's between streams. Further clarification is required in ATA/ATAPI-7.
Units need to be clarified as well.
5. Questions regarding the URGENT (URG) bit - Minimum possible
time needs definition. Minimum possible times without error recovery. The
drive will do no hidden recovery at all. This differs from the Read
Continuous (RC) in that RC may do some hidden error recovery.
6. Questions regarding Read Continuous (RC) - Need a definition
of error recovery. They presented several suggestions for making the
definition of RC more clear. They are requesting a new error bit to be
assigned when RC is clear and the data transfer fails due to a media error.
7. Questions regarding the Non-Sequential (NS) bit - IDEMA does
not see the need for this bit, the definition is not clear. After some
discussion the representatives from IDEMA understand the issues regarding
performance and will discuss the need with IDEMA Japan. The text should
state somewhere: This bit shall not cause an error to occur, even if it is
not supported
8. Questions regarding READ STREAM Stream ID - What happens if
you use a stream ID that has not been configured. IDEMA has drawn the
conclusion that you ignore the ID if it has not been configured. The HSE
bit requires that unconfigured stream numbers be consistent.
9. Questions regarding Write Continuous (WC) bit - IDEMA is
requesting that ERR be set when WC is set if the CCT is impossibly small.
The group agreed that this was inconsistent with WC operation. The group
did agree that a log entry could be created that reports impossible CCT.
10. HSE for WRITE STREAM needs to be better defined. IDEMA is
questioning the need for this capability.
It was agreed that the chair would summarize the T13 thoughts on these
issues in a document and forward the document to the IDEMA Japan working
group.
7.9 T13 Reflector, FTP, and Web Site Setup
There were no issues with the operation of the reflector, FTP, or Web site.
7.10 Open issues list
There are no open issues.
8 New Business
8.1 1.8" 3.3v parallel form factor proposal (e02119r0) [Kasebayashi]
The proposal was presented with little discussion. This information is
already in SFF documents but was left out of ATA. Dan Colegrove moved and
Sumit Puri seconded to accept the proposal as presented and incorporate it
into ATA/ATAPI-7. There was no discussion and the motion passed - 15-0-0-7.
8.2 Miscellaneous Items for ATA/ATAPI-7 (e02123r0) [McLean]
1. Pete McLean proposed moving register descriptions and
descriptions of content be moved from volume 2 to volume 1 in a new section.
The group agreed
2. There is an inconsistency in the way IDNF and ABRT are
handled between SETMAX and READ/WRITE. The group agreed not to make changes
3. Currently we do not specify a minimum slew rate for
ATA/ATAPI signaling. Apparently there is an issue with some systems that
have a very long transition on reset during power-up. Pete volunteered to
put a note in the document informing the reader about the problem.
4. This is a request to make Automatic Acoustic Management
available to ATAPI devices. There was discussion on the merits of making
this an ATAPI Packet capability or allowing the ATA capability to be used by
an ATA device. Pete will call Bill McFerrin to see what is available in
ATAPI
5. Should we define a WRITE WRONG EXT command? This would
address the current usage of READ/WRITE LONG for error testing. There was
discussion of current uses of the LONG commands. One of these uses promotes
the myth that additional data in the LONG commands means something. WRITE
WRONG could be misused in several different ways including testing of CRC
algorithms. Curtis Stevens agreed to put together a proposal for WRITE
WRONG.
6. There was a request to implement a SET FEATURES command that
remembers the settings over power cycles. There are some non-pc application
that could benefit from this capability. The group agreed that this would
be excluded from ATA/ATAPI-7.
7. This is a reporting issuing in IDENTIFY DEVICE for streaming
data parameters. Data can be transferring in both PIO and DMA; however,
there is only one set of fields for reporting transfer capabilities. The
main issue is word 96, stream access time is dependent on transfer mode.
The group agreed that we should limit the drive capability to use only one
mode of transfer on any power cycle. Sumit Puri agreed to do a proposal to
resolve the issue.
8.3 Time limiting reads and writes for AV (e02121r0) [Hatfield]
Jim Hatfield presented a simplified A/V command protocol on behalf of
Seagate. This proposal is Seagate's current AV implementation. The theory
of operation behind this proposal is that the drive has a timer that can be
set. Once the timer is running, commands can be issued. If the timer
expires while a command is in process, the command will terminate with an
error. The host can reset the timer by issuing FLUSH CACHE. The proposal
also adds an additional mode: "READ/WRITE QUESTIONABLE DATA" that operates
in a similar fashion to the current read stream command with the RC bit set
using normal READ/WRITE commands and bringing forward the SE and DWE bits
from the currently defined AV command set. The proposal also contained
various elements for setting up and reporting this AV capability including a
new SMART error log.
This proposal has the advantage of providing AV capability with current host
controllers using 28-bit addressing and newer hardware using 48-bit
addressing.
It was agreed that no action will be taken until the IDEMA-Japan proposal is
resolved.
8.4 Hot Swap
The issue presented is that there is no defined sequence for connecting
ground and power pins. Jeff Apodaca is asking if the group is interested in
defining mechanisms for hotswap. The group decided that they did not wish
to work on hotswap for parallel at this time.
8.5 Drive Connector Position
The issue presented is the connectors vary in their position relative to the
drive screw holes. There is no ATA standard for the position and the
position varies even among products from a single manufacturer. The group
agreed that this would be too costly to implement at this time.
8.6 Higher transfer rates for direct connect
Jeff Apodaca asked if direct connect could support higher transfer rates.
The group agreed that direct connect did not change the picture much.
8.7 SMART Attributes [Pete McLean]
Some OEMs are asking for standardized SMART attributes and thresholds.
Today, thresholds are vendor specific. Many thresholds are design/drive
specific. There was some discussion on the history of SMART. Pete McLean
took an action item to call the OEM vendors with SMART requirements and will
bring in a proposal.
8.8 Limit on burst length for CRC integrity [Pete McLean]
CRC integrity goes down and burst length increases. The new 48 bit command
set allows a drive/host to transfer megabytes at a time with only a 16 bit
CRC against the data. Study is required to determine the transfer length
threshold where a 16 bit CRC becomes ineffective. Pete McLean will research
this and bring the results to the next meeting.
8.9 Retrieval of error register bits [Tony Goodfellow]
Some of the error bits have been marked obsolete an thus are unable to be
reused for another purpose. Can we reclaim an obsolete error bit? The
group agreed that there are always problems and that the window of
opportunity is closed for this.
8.10 Unique Serial Numbers
There was discussion on unique device identification. Currently an ATA
device is identified by concatenating MANUFACTURE ID, PRODUCT ID, and SERIAL
NUMBER. Is there a need to switch to a unique 64 bit or 128 bit ID? There
would be issues if the device has two serial numbers. What are the industry
consequences of using a 64 bit number, this is a limitation compared to the
current 60+ characters. Sumit Puri agreed to do a proposal.
9 Liaison Reports
9.1 T10
The latest T10 liaison report from John Lohmeyer has been posted on the T13
web site as e02120r0.
9.2 SFF
SAS connectors are being defined. The SAS connector has 2 ports. There is
a Seagate 2.5" form factor proposal.
9.3 IDEMA
No updates on large sector size.
9.4 Serial ATA II
The SATA WG is looking for a signature for non-disk drive Serial ATA devices
that are different than ATA and ATAPI. Need two values, one for serial
enclosures and one for serial switching devices. The group proposed 3Ch,
C3h for one and 69h and 96h for the other.
10 Call for Patents
The Chair explained the patent policy. A document is available from ANSI,
"Procedures for the Development and Coordination of American National
Standards", at no charge. This document is also on the INCITS web site at
ftp://www.ncits.org/help/ansi_sdo.html. Section 1.2.11 contains the ANSI
patent policy. Amy Marasco manages patent issues for ANSI and can be
contacted at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 212-642-4954.
The Chair then called for patents and/or patent applications that may be
necessary to comply with the requirements in T13 standards, draft standards,
technical reports, or draft technical reports. There was no response to the
call for patents.
11 Open Issues List Summary
No items on the list at this time.
12 Review of Action Items
1. The chair to forward the project proposal for EDD-3 to
INCITS.
2. Pete McLean to call Bill McFerrin of the MMC committee to
determine if there are MMC acoustic Management commands.
3. Curtis Stevens to come forward with a proposal for WRITE
WRONG (e02126r0).
4. Sumit Puri to create a proposal to resolve the streaming
issue with IDENTIFY DEVICE word 96 (e02127r0).
5. Pete McLean to call the OEM vendors with SMART attribute
requirements and will bring in a proposal to the next meeting if they agree.
6. Pete McLean to research the data length threshold where a
16-bit CRC becomes ineffective.
7. Jim Hatfield to bring in a report on how DSC works with the
packet command.
8. Dan Colegrove was tasked as the SATA liaison to write a
proposal to reserve power on register identification values in LBA LOW and
LBA MID with values 3Ch, C3h and 69h, 96h.
9. Pete McLean will create a response to the IDEMA Japan
presentation (e02129r0) explaining the details that were misunderstood.
10. Tony Goodfellow will post a revised copy of 1510D at least 2
weeks prior to the next meeting.
11. Dan Colegrove will report FUA proposals to the SATA II WG.
13 Meeting Schedule
13.1 Authorization of ad hoc working groups
No ad hoc working groups were authorized.
13.2 Long term meeting schedule
The meeting dates, locations, hosts, and contacts were reviewed through
CY2003 (included below). No changes were made at this meeting.
CY 2002 Dates Location Host Contact
August 20-22, 2002 Longmont, CO Maxtor Pete McLean
October 22-24, 2002 TBD Pacific Digital Tony Goodfellow
December 17-19, 2002 Irvine, CA Western Digital Darrin Bulik
CY 2003 Dates Location Host Contact
February 18-20, 2003 Placerville, CA Adaptec Ron Roberts
April 22-24, 2003 Longmont, CO Seagate Marc Noblitt
June 24-26, 2003 Irvine, CA Phoenix Ron Salmon
August 19-21, 2003 Longmont, CO Maxtor Pete McLean
October 21-23, 2003 TBD Pacific Digital Tony Goodfellow
December 16-18, 2003 Las Vegas IBM Dan Colegrove
NOTE - Meetings are scheduled for three days only.
As noted above the dates of the next plenary meeting of T13 are August 20
through 22. The meeting will be held in Longmont, CO hosted by Pete McLean
of Maxtor Corporation. A host meeting notice will be sent out on the
reflector and will be added to the web site.
14 Adjournment
The meeting adjourned by the Chair, Pete McLean, upon completion of all the
agenda items at 4:40pm on June 26, 2002.
[Enclosure 1 - Membership]
[Enclosure 2 - Document directory]
