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My apologies to all for misunderstanding the arrangement.
I was wrong wrong wrong.
Thank You !!!
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I'm not sure I understand what the underlying issue is that is raising
this, and I suspect that folks that may not have expertise in the legal
area may be causing undue confusion.
I believe the industry benefits from avoiding two different flavors of
the SATA technology that are not interchangeable, and therefore suggest
that technical work done in either the T13 or SATA communities see some
coordination. To that effect, the SATA community has been submitting
materials to T13 on work that SATA is doing that can impact the T13
document (for example errata identified and addressed, etc). Some of the
stuff we send T13 is in early stages to provide advance notice (for
example the latching cable assembly solution which was provided as
advance notice before it was completed).
I would hope that T13 exercise a similar discipline in advancing the
technology in order to avoid two different favors of the technology
resulting. I'm not aware of any legal obligation to do so, but suspect
it would be generally good for the storage industry.
Knut
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Hey, guys !!!
Could either of you comment on the 'legal basis' for making or not
making
technical
changes to SATA 1.0a content in ATA/ATAPI-7 ?
The copyright release wording is exceptionally vague.
Thank You !!!
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I'm not aware of such restrictions on T13 changing technical
information in the SATA material. At least none written on paper that
I can find.
If there is such a condition, please indicate the document where that
condition is stipulated.
This does not seem to be the case, as we did incorporate new material
into ATA-7 volume 3 for ATAPI devices on Serial ATA interfaces. Ref
E03132r2.
So far the effort has been cooperative between the SATA working group
and T13 and seems to be working well. T13 is not a good place to
develop new technology, but it is a good place to maintain and
document a technology, with maintenance being an active thing.
I do not believe that SATA working group "approval" is required for
anything T13 does. However a cooperating relationship exists and
that's a good thing.
If this is not the case, I'd like to have that spelled out.
At 9:43 AM -0700 11/3/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>There is no 'serial atapi' proposal. I merely recorded the fact that
>questions about
>ATAPI via the Serial ATA interface are starting to surface more
frequently
>on the
>reflector and elsewhere.
>
>T13 has a copyright release from the SATA working group, but is not
'free'
>to change
>technical content, but is allowed to consider clarifications.
>
>The T13 liason to the SATA working group (Dan Colgrove) does ask the
SATA
>working
>group for approval on some items, and the T13 members who are also SATA
>working group
>members have feedback in both groups.
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>Seagate Technology - PSG
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>I haven't looked at the meeting minutes to see what discussions may or
may
>not have occurred (the minutes are usually just general anyway), but
just
>curious:
>
>If there is a Serial ATAPI proposal (and SATA-2 would fall into this
>question as well) and is being considered for inclusion in ATAPI-8, I
will
>ask the same question I asked before we decided to include SATA 1.0.
>
> Will T13 be allowed to add, delete or modify everything in this
area
>without first getting approval from the Serail ATA committee? Although
>this
>was answered "yes" for SATA 1.0, I don't believe (my opinion) that it's
>true.
>
>my $0.02,
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>Gary Laatsch
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>> This message is from the T13 list server.
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>> Here is a list of possible subjects for ATA/ATAPI-8 to consider.
>>
>> These are mostly gleaned from the outstanding issues list and from
>comments
>> made at this week's October 2003 plenary meeting.
>>
>> These are not necessarily for discussion at this time. I am just
'priming
>> the pump'
>> for others to add other suggestions to the list for December when we
>submit
>> a proposal
>> for an ATA/ATAPI-8 project.
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>> * Serial ATA
>> - external interface (connectors, electrical, etc.)
>> - serial ATAPI
>> - LED
>> - various issues involving bridges
>> e03132r1 - ATAPI DMA Direction issues Proposal
>> - incorporation of SATA 1.0a errata
>> - incorporation of SATA-2 new features (native command
queuing,
>etc.)
>>
>> * (e03138r0) Enterprise Extensions Smart Accessed (EESA)
>>
>> * (e02126r1) Write Wrong Proposal
>>
>> * ISO standardization
>>
>> * and some large questions to consider:
>> - should support for PIO be dropped ?
>> - should ATA/ATAPI-8 be the final standard to include parallel
ATA
>?
>> - redo command volume to be interface-agnostic ?
>> - redo command volume to be FIS-based ?
>>
>> Thank You !!!
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>> Jim Hatfield
>> ATA Interface Firmware & T13 (ATA/ATAPI) Standards Representative
>> Seagate Technology - PSG
>> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> s-mail: 389 Disc Drive; Longmont, CO 80503 USA
>> voice: 720-684-2120
>> fax : 720-684-2711
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