> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Marc Riddell <[email protected]> > wrote: >> When will you people finally acknowledge that there is something terribly >> wrong with the deteriorating level of discourse occurring in the Projects? >> And this trend is certainly not confined to Wikinews. Take a good, objective >> look at some of the dialogue occurring on the English Wikipedia. The >> atmosphere is becoming angrier and more hostile by the day.
on 2/5/09 9:40 AM, Andrew Whitworth at [email protected] wrote: > > Not all projects. I'd like to take this opportunity to shamelessly > plug Wikibooks, which is as close to utopia as we get here in wiki > world. We don't fight, there's very little hostility, and a relatively > small number of hardworking users are producing a pretty impressive > group of free textbooks. </shameless plug>. There should be no shame in pride of one's work, Andrew ;-). I do congratulate you and your editors in maintaining a workspace that is both open and civil. > > Projects are self-administering. If you feel the projects are not > functioning properly it is the fault of the project, not the fault of > the foundation. Get your admins to block your trouble users, and if > the admins themselves are causing trouble then petition to have them > removed. Everybody wants the WMF "hand of god" to swing down from the > sky and deliver relief to various community problems. It won't happen > and it can't possibly work anyway. Change and solutions have to come > from within, or they won't come at all. I have been trying for over two years to bring this issue to the serious attention of the "powers that be" in the English Wikipedia. My messages are met either with a "there he goes again" attitude, or are not acknowledged at all. Where does one go from there if not the Foundation itself? > >> And, Erik, when I broached this subject in a private email conversation with >> you, you never even acknowledged receipt of that email. What would you have >> done if we were speaking to each other in person - stare at me in silence? >> That, alone, speaks volumes. > > And what response do you want from him? This isn't his problem to solve. In a professional setting I would expect an acknowledgement that the email was at least received. Marc _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
