-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Marc Riddell wrote: > When will you people finally acknowledge that there is something terribly > wrong with the deteriorating level of discourse occurring in the Projects? > And this trend is certainly not confined to Wikinews. Take a good, objective > look at some of the dialogue occurring on the English Wikipedia. The > atmosphere is becoming angrier and more hostile by the day. > > And, Erik, when I broached this subject in a private email conversation with > you, you never even acknowledged receipt of that email. What would you have > done if we were speaking to each other in person - stare at me in silence? > That, alone, speaks volumes. First of all, Erik may or may not have received your email, and the reasons he did or did not respond to you can be immense and varied. You should not make assumptions based on a lack of communication by anyone, staff or community member.
Secondly, what gives you the impression that Foundation staff are able to sweep in and make everyone behave; or furthermore, why should you not assume that we've not already tried some way to encourage conviviality and discourage attacks. I have personally found myself in the predicament of trying to solve issues for people and getting my head bitten off by the very people I was trying to help! At least one of those individuals resorted to calling me denigrating names on lists cc'd to numerous folks, including coworkers, Jimmy Wales, and my boss; and his fellow complainants did nothing to object. The Foundation, as successful as the last fundraiser went, remains to having limited resources. Our volunteering model is next to impossible to define, given the enormity of our community. Discussions take place on IRC about the simple idea of removing admin access to anyone who uses ugly or rude block messages. This idea is met with huge opposition; by solid contributors. You're asking people to stop acting like people. Perhaps we should follow the Wikinews discussion more closely...even participate in it, rather than expanding it to include all of the Foundation projects in one fell swoop. Given that the community is much smaller there, a solution might take place that will result in people being more proactive about reducing ugliness and being kinder to one another and promoting an assumption of good faith. Maybe Wikinews can even come up with a model that can be adopted by other projects. Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJizBfyQg4JSymDYkRAt5IAKCKf41wFBKeOZg19zjZsFqLWSLrXACggzlb at4bw0uJgrFWEMPryewIs8Y= =K5tT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l