On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Gregory Maxwell <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Erik Moeller <[email protected]> wrote: > [snip] > > plan, and Brion is hoping to invest some of his remaining time with it > > in helping to get the extension ready for en.wp. It's not trivial: The > > scalability concerns at that size are a step more serious than with > > de.wp, > > Of course. But I wasn't expecting a turn up on English Wikipedia yet. > I'm asking why the 25 lines of configuration that EnWP specified have > not yet been added to the test wiki at > http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page > > > and we're also concerned about the potential negative impact on > > participation. > > Please help me understand the implications of this statement. > > The English Wikipedia reached an overwhelmingly strong decision to try > a particular mode of operation. I hope you can appreciate how > difficult it can be to balance various interest and achieve agreement > on a change with such a widespread impact on a project as large and > well established as EnWP. > > Enhancements were made to the software by volunteers to support the > proposal and a configuration was designed. Since then there has been > almost no progress in turning up a public trial wiki with this > configuration for testing and further refinement. > > Now, "we" (I do know know for whom you speak) are concerned about an > underspecified concern regarding a negative impact on participation. > So? Now what? Does the now staff obstruct the rollout with passive > resistance and year+ delays? Based both on the actions thus far and > on your statement this is what it sounds like to me. > > Is this sort of over-concern regarding participation, so paranoid that > it obstructs a simple time limited trial of an article selective > feature, the behavior we can now expect from the WMF now that it has > substantial funding tied to unspecified participation goals? > > I too am concerned about participation: I'm concerned that people who > came to build a project together will not want to participate under a > Wikimedia Foundation which views its contributors as 'users' rather > than partners. > > Reaching a design for the policy and configuration and educating and > convincing people is the result of thousands of hours of volunteer > labor from hundreds of people across several years. Moreover, the > ability to reach a decision to try something at this scale is a ray of > hope that EnWP hasn't become totally stuck and immune to change. All > of this is wasted if the Wikimedia Foundation isn't able or willing to > hold up its side of its partnership with the community. > > > The user interface is well-suited for the current de.wp > > implementation, but needs some TLC to work for the "flagged > > protection" use case. > > The community has largely taken care of this: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Flagged_protection_and_patrolled_revisions/Implementation#PHP_configuration > > Of course, there will need to be additional refinement but that can > not proceed until the test wiki is up. > > > We're committed to getting there but at this stage I can't give you a > > better promise than allocating some percentage of the core team to > > supporting the UI development, testing, and production roll-out, > > hopefully resulting in a full production roll-out prior to the end of > > this year. > > When will the test wiki be activated? This requires something like > pasting 25 lines of configuration, an extension install, and kicking a > maintenance script. > > Even if everything else is delayed having the text site up and running > would allow the community to test and provide feedback to volunteer > developers who can refine the software in advance of the availability > of resources for the large scale deployment. > > Greg, why can't we just put the code up on the Toolserver? Why does the foundation need to be involved at all? _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
