On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 12:51 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > How about this one. Every arrest (read block for 24 hours or longer) must be > approved by an "Admin Supervisor" (let's just call it for now). That Admin > Supervisor, must use a Real Name and be Verified. > > That by itself, would greatly cut down on the policing actions of those who > are, shall we say, less scrupulous than others. Of course we'd still need a > way to ensure that the Verified admin, is not the same person as a sock > running the blocks, and is impartial, unbiased and uninvolved. > > No block may be longer than 24 hours without the approval of the > community-at-large, no matter what the infraction. Otherwise, we need a > system of judges and juries who are *not* the same persons as the police and > prison wardens. What we have now, essentially allows a single person, or a > single group of "friends" to be police, prosecutor, jury, judge, bailiff, and > warden. That in my opinion is what drives away a significant number of good > prospects and it should stop.
We tried that on nl: (although with 1 week rather than 24 hours minimum). The effect of this is that _each and every block_ will get the whole wiki in flames for a week. You are handcuffing one problem group here (out-of-control admins), but giving free reign to another problem group (people using Wikipedia as a means for doing politics, and considering every admin action admin abuse) at the same time. As a member of the community-at-large I don't _want_ to have to check the correctness of each and every block. That's why I favored having an arbcom. Its workings are not ideal, but at least it finally brought a few of the greatest troubleseekers to order by saying that they _can_ be blocked if they continue their disruptive actions. It's hard enough to have to withstand the criticism to each and every block as it is - it would be much worse if we were to invite that criticism as well. -- André Engels, [email protected] _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
