Thank you, David; this clarifies a lot. I just wish you had managed to send this some 50 messages ago. :|
MarianoC.- --- El mié 31-mar-10, David Castor <[email protected]> escribió: > De: David Castor <[email protected]> > Asunto: [Foundation-l] Status report on logo copyright issues at Swedish > Wikipedia > Para: [email protected] > Fecha: miércoles, 31 de marzo de 2010, 13:40 > My name is David Castor and I am > known on Swedish Wikipedia (and less known > but somewhat active on Commons and a few foreign language > Wikipedias) by the > user name dcastor. I am one of the users who have been > pushing for a change > in the way we handle the copyrighted WMF logos. I would > like to clarify and > announce a few things on the way the dilemma is presently > being handled. > > > > First off, we have not yet made any final decisions; the > topic is still open > for discussion at the Swedish village pump. No changes have > yet been widely > implemented. > > > > As a background it is important to know that there is an > almost unchallenged > consensus on Swedish Wikipedia not to allow fair use > imagery, in part > because the "fair use" concept is not applicable in Swedish > law, Sweden > being of course home soil for a majority of the users. It's > been years since > we blocked local media upload, now depending solely on > Commons. This means, > as far as I am aware, that the WMF logos are the only > pictures used on > Swedish Wikipedia that are not being spread under a "free" > license, free in > this case concerning copyright of course, and not trademark > or personality > rights (making comparisons to proper names irrelevant to > the discussion). > The use of these logos are thus the only thing standing in > the way of > stating that all material from Swedish Wikipedia can be > freely reused, > without any further permission. (The license template on > the WMF logos > reserve all rights and call for specific permission for > use.) > > > > The argument is not, and has never been, whether or not we > are allowed to > use the logos. Some users on Swedish Wikipedia as well as > in this thread > have given replies suggesting that they think that is what > the issue is > about. It is not. The issue is whether it is compliable > with the principles > of Wikipedia to include copyrighted material, which may not > be re-used by > others. I suppose that this dilemma is less problematic in > jurisdictions > that implement a "fair use" system, but where such are not > present a > copyrighted picture may not be freely redistributed. > > > > The current discussion on Swedish Wikipedia is divided into > three main > branches: > > 1. Should we keep even the > Wikipedia logo in the top left corner? > > 2. Should we keep the WMF > logos of navigation templates placed in > articles? > > 3. Should we illustrate > articles on the Wikimedia projects with the > logos? > > > > The discussions have, as far as I can tell, led to a near > consensus "yes" > for question 1, with the rationale that the picture is part > of the GUI > rather than of the article, and a near consensus "no" for > number "3". Most > of a lengthy debate has been over discussion number 2. > > > > The opinions on how to relate to number two diverge > greatly. Some of us, > including myself, would prefer to have all WMF logos > removed from article > space, including template use, making it free to > redistribute printouts and > PDF:s from Wikipedia articles. Some argue that since WMF > will not pursuit > any copyright breaches, we don't need to bother. This > viewpoint is supported > by those who think that the usability of the logos is too > important to let > the copyright issues take effect. A few have, in support of > status quo, > stated that there may be more to it, legally, than we know, > but such claims > have yet to be supported. > > > > For some users a main perspective is that of NPOV. They > argue that since no > other external links are supported by pictures, neither > should the links to > sister projects be. Also, since no other copyrighted logo > are allowed, > neither should WMF:s logos be. To some of these users, the > use of the logos > in well framed templates is agreeable, since this implies > that the links are > part of the GUI rather than of the article itself. > > > > Right now it seems like one of two suggestions will be the > result of the > discussions. Either (1.) to allow the WMF logos in a few > specific navigation > templates. These may be javascript-controlled to exclude > the logos from > printouts and PDF:s. This has been tested and seems to > work. The second (2.) > solution discussed is to implement a separate section for > sister project > links, including logos, in the GUI menu section on the > left. > > > > I hope that I, despite having made rather clear stands on > the issue, have > managed to convey a fair description of the discussion. > > > > /David Castor > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > Yahoo! Cocina Encontra las mejores recetas con Yahoo! Cocina. http://ar.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/ _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
